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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    My biggest problem with Romney is that he's a Mormon.

    If that makes me a bigot so be it, but there you go. I definitely don't think I am alone in this opinion, though.
    I do not blame you. Anyone who has studied the religion thoroughly and is not taken aback is a strange individual. You would think that the fact that Joseph Smith was convicted of fraud mere months before he found the Golden Tablets(that only he could read) would send up a red flag.
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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Please condense this rant into a coherent sentence containing an identifiable point so that I may address it.
    1. There is quite a distinction between Robert Byrd joining the KKK in his 20s(70 years ago), when he wasn't in politics, to New Gringrich leading a political witch hunt and being found to be a hypocrite, 10 years ago.

    a. The first of these distinctions being the fact that his joining of the KKK can demonstratively be shown to have had zero effect in how he did his job in Congress. We can not the same for Newt as he became a polarizing figure and even quit his job because of this polarization.

    b. The second of the glaring differences is the fact that Byrd has worked for 70 years to make up for his mistakes. What has Newt done? Apologized?

    2. Your continued use of the Democrat's racist past whenever making some sort of point about Republicans and what I can only guess is their non-racist agenda always seems to show your complete ignorance of modern day politics.

    As shown in this post :

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057944040

    You continue to bring up Robert Byrd, the Democrats opposition to desegregation etc. as a sign of Democratic racism but fail to understand that in the 60s-70s the people who once voted Democrat became modern day Southern Libertarians and Republicans voting for State's rights.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are still racist Democratic strong holds in the South but your silly understanding of historical changes in party voting blocks becomes more and more obvious every time you open your mouth to speak or even mention racism in politics.
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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Newt has the highest intellect. I doubt there's a single Democrat who can debate him. But I voted for Pawlenty because I figure he's got the best chance.
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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Newt has the highest intellect. I doubt there's a single Democrat who can debate him. But I voted for Pawlenty because I figure he's got the best chance.
    Agree on Pawlenty.

    Newt...much like Obama, he's a master of the talking point. I think Huckabee is also a gifter orator, but would never vote for him.

    Newt thinks a lot of Newt.

    I doubt he runs.

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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    1. There is quite a distinction between Robert Byrd joining the KKK in his 20s(70 years ago), when he wasn't in politics, to New Gringrich leading a political witch hunt and being found to be a hypocrite, 10 years ago.

    a. The first of these distinctions being the fact that his joining of the KKK can demonstratively be shown to have had zero effect in how he did his job in Congress. We can not the same for Newt as he became a polarizing figure and even quit his job because of this polarization.

    b. The second of the glaring differences is the fact that Byrd has worked for 70 years to make up for his mistakes. What has Newt done? Apologized?

    2. Your continued use of the Democrat's racist past whenever making some sort of point about Republicans and what I can only guess is their non-racist agenda always seems to show your complete ignorance of modern day politics.

    As shown in this post :

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057944040

    You continue to bring up Robert Byrd, the Democrats opposition to desegregation etc. as a sign of Democratic racism but fail to understand that in the 60s-70s the people who once voted Democrat became modern day Southern Libertarians and Republicans voting for State's rights.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are still racist Democratic strong holds in the South but your silly understanding of historical changes in party voting blocks becomes more and more obvious every time you open your mouth to speak or even mention racism in politics.
    The two threads are not related, or indicative of some pattern I've established. I may have gotten the Southern Democrat thing wrong as a matter of political theory, but Robert Byrd WAS in the KKK, and it is a valid point if we're going to insist that a politician's personal failings must define their candidacy.

    You're arguing as if I actually cared about Byrd's time in the KKK. I seriously don't.

    You're arguing as if I thought Newt was a stand-up guy. I seriously don't.

    Newt is just a smart fiscal conservative who's managed to balance a Federal budget. That's good enough for me.

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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    I hope one of them run and win the right to be on the ballot because they will all lose.
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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The two threads are not related, or indicative of some pattern I've established.
    False. In both threads you brought up examples of the Democrat party's racist past to support your points. In both examples you failed to understand the larger picture even though it seemed like you were focusing on the details.

    I may have gotten the Southern Democrat thing wrong as a matter of political theory,
    You did get it wrong. There is no question about this. It's why you didn't reply.

    but Robert Byrd WAS in the KKK
    And this is what I am trying to explain to you. He WAS in politics BEFORE he became a Senator, BEFORE the majority of Americans were born, BEFORE he engaged in a life of public service. Not whilst.

    , and it is a valid point if we're going to insist that a politician's personal failings must define their candidacy.
    The personal failings of Newt relate to his job. He became a polarizing figure DURING his tenure in Congress, DURING his career in public service. Not AFTER. Do you not see the difference yet? It's not about the personal failings. It's about when these failings happened and their context in modern day history.

    You're arguing as if I actually cared about Byrd's time in the KKK. I seriously don't.
    And the fact that you don't care makes you ignore significant details. Which in turn makes you unfit to debate the subject.

    You're arguing as if I thought Newt was a stand-up guy. I seriously don't.

    Newt is just a smart fiscal conservative who's managed to balance a Federal budget. That's good enough for me.
    And he's part of the Social Conservative America that I dislike. Not good enough for me.
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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    False. In both threads you brought up examples of the Democrat party's racist past to support your points.
    Except I was arguing from two totally different premises and making two totally different points. The former discussion was about racism specifically, and I admit that I was incorrect; the racism inherent to this discussion is merely incidental; I could have used ANY personal failing of ANY Democratic politician in order to highlight my point. If you can't distinguish between two totally different situations that occurred months apart then that's your problem.

    You did get it wrong. There is no question about this. It's why you didn't reply.
    Well, whoopety-****ing-doo! I guess every time I'm wrong I should just make a special announcement to forum. That way you can truly revel in my ignominious defeat...

    Would you rather I refuse to admit that I'm wrong and continuing arguing as if I weren't?

    And this is what I am trying to explain to you. He WAS in politics BEFORE he became a Senator, BEFORE the majority of Americans were born, BEFORE he engaged in a life of public service. Not whilst.
    What a silly argument. Just because someone does something BEFORE they enter politics doesn't mean they're absolved of it or that it's irrelevant.

    Mr. Smith WAS a child rapist BEFORE he became a Senator, BEFORE the majority of Americans were born, BEFORE he engaged in a life of public service. Not whilst.

    The personal failings of Newt relate to his job. He became a polarizing figure DURING his tenure in Congress, DURING his career in public service. Not AFTER. Do you not see the difference yet? It's not about the personal failings. It's about when these failings happened and their context in modern day history.
    Newt was doing his job. Clinton perjured himself and Newt went after him. That's politics. That Newt was cheating on his wife at the time is a lamentable commentary on his personal values but it's not something that would define his candidacy for me.

    And he's part of the Social Conservative America that I dislike. Not good enough for me.
    I never had any illusions that you were going to vote for freaking Newt Gingrich. I'm just explaining to you why his adulterous lechery isn't a huge deal to me.

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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Newt has the highest intellect. I doubt there's a single Democrat who can debate him. But I voted for Pawlenty because I figure he's got the best chance.
    When has he proven himself some master debater? Obama would wipe the floor with him
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    Re: Poll: Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin or Pawlenty?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    When has he proven himself some master debater? Obama would wipe the floor with him

    I don't know, Newt has a very big mind. I think a debate between the two would be fascinating. They are both teachers at their core. A part of them, anyway.

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