View Poll Results: Should those with self-inflicted ailments be charged more for health care?

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  • Yes, their life choices cost everyone more money

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  • Yes, and higher costs should be expanded to cronic healthcare users (ex:hypochondriac)

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    Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    With a public health care plan (or even private), should those people that choose to cause ailments for themselves be charged more for health care then people that live a healthy life style? This would include the Obese, smokers, drinkers, drug users, workers in physically demanding careers, etc. Outside of the hospital costs these can also lead to support group, rehab, and other additional costs that healthy people would not need.

    Assume there are exceptions such as someone obese because of genetic disorder that is out of their control.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    With a public health care plan (or even private), should those people that choose to cause ailments for themselves be charged more for health care then people that live a healthy life style? This would include the Obese, smokers, drinkers, drug users, workers in physically demanding careers, etc. Outside of the hospital costs these can also lead to support group, rehab, and other additional costs that healthy people would not need.

    Assume there are exceptions such as someone obese because of genetic disorder that is out of their control.
    No. Self inflicted ailments are often due to some other reason, be it a chemical imbalance of the brain or too much stress.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    With a public health care plan (or even private), should those people that choose to cause ailments for themselves be charged more for health care then people that live a healthy life style? This would include the Obese, smokers, drinkers, drug users, workers in physically demanding careers, etc. Outside of the hospital costs these can also lead to support group, rehab, and other additional costs that healthy people would not need.

    Assume there are exceptions such as someone obese because of genetic disorder that is out of their control.
    That'll never happen, because the folks most effected would be minorities. It's laughable to think anyone, especially Libbos, would ever do something like this...
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That'll never happen, because the folks most effected would be minorities. It's laughable to think anyone, especially Libbos, would ever do something like this...
    I could see many liberals voting to have smokers, drug users, and drinkers pay more for illnesses caused by their choices. Have you been to California lately? We are one step away from making smokers serving prison time for lighting up within a 100 year radius of any public property.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I could see many liberals voting to have smokers, drug users, and drinkers pay more for illnesses caused by their choices. Have you been to California lately? We are one step away from making smokers serving prison time for lighting up within a 100 year radius of any public property.
    Yeah, I can see that happening...NOT!!!! The people that you're constantly crusading for are the very folks that would wind up paying more for health care. What's the point of health care reform if you want to do something this friggin' stupid? Or, is it all really about controlling people's lives and has nothing to do with health care reform?
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    With a public health care plan (or even private), should those people that choose to cause ailments for themselves be charged more for health care then people that live a healthy life style? This would include the Obese, smokers, drinkers, drug users, workers in physically demanding careers, etc. Outside of the hospital costs these can also lead to support group, rehab, and other additional costs that healthy people would not need.

    Assume there are exceptions such as someone obese because of genetic disorder that is out of their control.
    Nope, that's some amount of social engineering and we should be staying away from that.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, I can see that happening...NOT!!!! The people that you're constantly crusading for are the very folks that would wind up paying more for health care. What's the point of health care reform if you want to do something this friggin' stupid? Or, is it all really about controlling people's lives and has nothing to do with health care reform?
    My OP wasn't a suggestion, it was a question.

    What is stupid about charging people based on their choice of heightened liability? If I get a lot of speeding tickets my car insurance goes up. If I drive safe it stay low. It's not rocket science.

    Oh and by the way, I tend to play devil's advocate so keep your partisan attacks to yourself.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    My OP wasn't a suggestion, it was a question.

    What is stupid about charging people based on their choice of heightened liability? If I get a lot of speeding tickets my car insurance goes up. If I drive safe it stay low. It's not rocket science.

    Oh, and by the way, I tend to play devil's advocate so keep your partisan attacks to yourself.

    Because driving is a privalege, lifestyles are a right.

    I've enver noticed your devil's advocacy always leans left. I'm sure that's just a conincidence.
    Last edited by apdst; 10-06-09 at 05:21 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, that's some amount of social engineering and we should be staying away from that.
    So if I choose a lifestyle that puts me into the hospital once a month with annual costs of $100k or so I should still pay the same amount as someone that hasn't needed to be to the hospital in years due to their healthy lifestyle?

    Looks to me like I can make the most out of taking advantage of the collective paying for my hospital bills.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because driving is a privalege, lifestyles are a right.
    Where is it in the constitution that you have a right to have health care participants pay for your health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've enver noticed your devil's advocacy always leans left. I'm sure that's just a conincidence.
    I thought you just finished saying the left would be completely against this and here I am taking the side of it and I'm still labeled as "left"? Which is it? Is the Left for or against it?
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