View Poll Results: Should those with self-inflicted ailments be charged more for health care?

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  • Yes, their life choices cost everyone more money

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  • Yes, and higher costs should be expanded to cronic healthcare users (ex:hypochondriac)

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  • No, everyone should pay the same no matter how much health care you use

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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So if I choose a lifestyle that puts me into the hospital once a month with annual costs of $100k or so I should still pay the same amount as someone that hasn't needed to be to the hospital in years due to their healthy lifestyle?

    Looks to me like I can make the most out of taking advantage of the collective paying for my hospital bills.
    If you choose a lifestyle that places in you in the hospital more often, you should be responsible for those costs. That's why there should be no universal health care system.

    If we have universal health care, then those who lead a healthy life style will just have to accept that some people do no and so they will have more expensive care. However, I will concede that even with leading an unhealthy life style, health costs are curbed by regular access to medical care so who knows how it will balance out?

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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Where is it in the constitution that you have a right to have health care participants pay for your health care?
    I didn't say health care. I said lifestyles. If I want to eat fried porkchops with rice and gravy every night for supper and my arteries get clogged, then I shouldn't have to pay any more for health care than anyone else.


    I thought you just finished saying the left would be completely against this and here I am taking the side of it and I'm still labeled as "left"? Which is it? Is the Left for or against it?

    Because Libbos are typically the folks that want to control everyone else's lifestyle. Hence all the anti smoking, anti soda water, anti junk food legislation we see coming from the Leftists in the government.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Looks to me like I can make the most out of taking advantage of the collective paying for my hospital bills.
    Sure can, but that's exactly what insurance does. This is what happens when you get away from paying out of pocket. Besides, many of those people die earlier which subsidizes pensions and in the long run costs less. The most expensive healthcare is the keeping you alive for the last year or so of your natural life. So should old people have to pay a lot more for their healthcare?
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I didn't say health care. I said lifestyles. If I want to eat fried porkchops with rice and gravy every night for supper and my arteries get clogged, then I shouldn't have to pay any more for health care than anyone else.
    Why not? You cost more, you should pay more.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because Libbos are typically the folks that want to control everyone else's lifestyle. Hence all the anti smoking, anti soda water, anti junk food legislation we see coming from the Leftists in the government.
    Education = control now? Those stupid liberals trying to educate people by telling the truth about harmful ingredients. Who do they think they are?
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If you choose a lifestyle that places in you in the hospital more often, you should be responsible for those costs. That's why there should be no universal health care system.

    If we have universal health care, then those who lead a healthy life style will just have to accept that some people do no and so they will have more expensive care. However, I will concede that even with leading an unhealthy life style, health costs are curbed by regular access to medical care so who knows how it will balance out?
    That is one of the reasons I am against universal health care. I choose to life a healthy lifestyle and I want to see my health care costs to go down for my lack of health care needs.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure can, but that's exactly what insurance does. This is what happens when you get away from paying out of pocket. Besides, many of those people die earlier which subsidizes pensions and in the long run costs less. The most expensive healthcare is the keeping you alive for the last year or so of your natural life. So should old people have to pay a lot more for their healthcare?
    Good point. They cost more but since they tend to die under fifty the collective saves on costs in the long run.

    I don't think old people would pay more because it's not self-inflicting illnesses. You pay into the system now, when you don't need much service, so you are taking care of when you are older. In most cases I am not a supporter of prolonging life through artificial means.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    In most cases I am not a supporter of prolonging life through artificial means.
    I am, so long as it utilizes some form of gamma ray powered cannon, nuclear powered mechanical appendages, infusing of super powers, or other affronts to god.

    But the end of life stuff isn't so much like you're on life support. It means old people who are sick a lot being treated. The drugs and doctor visits necessary basically to prolong the last 6 months of life into 9 months or something like that. Dealing with diabetes, Alzheimer, cancer, etc. that all costs way more money that a smoker getting sick and dying at 55.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I am, so long as it utilizes some form of gamma ray powered cannon, nuclear powered mechanical appendages, infusing of super powers, or other affronts to god.
    I'm in. Can I get a ring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But the end of life stuff isn't so much like you're on life support. It means old people who are sick a lot being treated. The drugs and doctor visits necessary basically to prolong the last 6 months of life into 9 months or something like that. Dealing with diabetes, Alzheimer, cancer, etc. that all costs way more money that a smoker getting sick and dying at 55.
    These scenarios are what I was talking about when saying we pay in now for basic health services later.
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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I'm in. Can I get a ring?
    what...you want to be like the Green Lantern or something? I guess that's fine, but I'd be going more bionic or innate power like regeneration or grafting some form of energy cannon to my chest or something like that. Think big.

    hehe

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    These scenarios are what I was talking about when saying we pay in now for basic health services later.
    Yup. But as they cost more than the others, I'm not so upset about the others then. I'm going to accept some fact that we're all collectively paying into a system to collectivize the risk of health care and that's going to be that then. Once you start getting into differing pay brackets based on genetics, life choices, etc. you're doing some decidedly different than "insurance". At that point, we might as well not have the insurance at all and have everyone just pay their own way. But if we're going to have insurance or health care, a system to collectivize payment and risk, then I don't think we should enforce through it social engineering.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Charge more for healthcare of self-inflicted ailments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    what...you want to be like the Green Lantern or something? I guess that's fine, but I'd be going more bionic or innate power like regeneration or grafting some form of energy cannon to my chest or something like that. Think big.

    hehe
    Ok. I'll go Dr. Manhattan style.

    Though I'll try to keep my humanity and not be so emotionally empty.
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