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    Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?

    Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?

    I believe we should with the exception of gender in gender specific jobs. Why should the government require a person to identify themselves by race or gender when applying for jobs, loans, census, ect? Is this not keeping the idea that we should be identified by such things in our society and also keeping the way society views people differently based on such things?

    It should be irrelevant when applying for anything. A person should base their decision on merits alone and race/gender should not be a factor.

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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Yes it should be. Though in all honesty it really doesn't matter as the employers that do discriminate can also tell a persons gender/race by that persons name.
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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?

    I believe we should with the exception of gender in gender specific jobs. Why should the government require a person to identify themselves by race or gender when applying for jobs, loans, census, ect? Is this not keeping the idea that we should be identified by such things in our society and also keeping the way society views people differently based on such things?

    It should be irrelevant when applying for anything. A person should base their decision on merits alone and race/gender should not be a factor.
    I would have yes on most forms and applications, unless the job is gender specific. This is one way to prove that race and gender does not matter.
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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes it should be. Though in all honesty it really doesn't matter as the employers that do discriminate can also tell a persons gender/race by that persons name.
    Not always, some names are not race specific or gender specific.
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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Yeah, how would they distinguish between the majority of white and black people? Or how would they distinguish between different Hispanic races, for example?

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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes it should be. Though in all honesty it really doesn't matter as the employers that do discriminate can also tell a persons gender/race by that persons name.
    If people go by initials, it's almost impossible to tell. I can tell you that if I went by my first initial and last name, you'd have no idea what race I am.

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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Yeah, how would they distinguish between the majority of white and black people? Or how would they distinguish between different Hispanic races, for example?
    Why is race relevant on a application seeing how there is supposed to be no racial discrimination .

    Unless the job is gender specific then why is gender relevant on an application if we are not supposed to discriminate against gender?
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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why is race relevant on a application seeing how there is supposed to be no racial discrimination .

    Unless the job is gender specific then why is gender relevant on an application if we are not supposed to discriminate against gender?
    I wasn't even talking about that. I was behind your point.

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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applications?
    If race and gender are truely irrelevant in the job selection process, then there is no sound argument for including that specification.

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    Re: Should we remove race and gender identifying questions from all forms & applicati

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Yeah, how would they distinguish between the majority of white and black people? Or how would they distinguish between different Hispanic races, for example?
    Jamal isn't exactly a name typically used by whites. John however is. See the point?

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    To test whether employers discriminate against black job applicants, Marianne Bertrand of the University of Chicago and Sendhil Mullainathan of M.I.T. conducted an unusual experiment. They selected 1,300 help-wanted ads from newspapers in Boston and Chicago and submitted multiple résumés from phantom job seekers. The researchers randomly assigned the first names on the résumés, choosing from one set that is particularly common among blacks and from another that is common among whites.

    So Kristen and Tamika, and Brad and Tyrone, applied for jobs from the same pool of want ads and had equivalent résumés. Nine names were selected to represent each category: black women, white women, black men and white men. Last names common to the racial group were also assigned. Four résumés were typically submitted for each job opening, drawn from a reservoir of 160. Nearly 5,000 applications were submitted from mid-2001 to mid-2002. Professors Bertrand and Mullainathan kept track of which candidates were invited for job interviews.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If people go by initials, it's almost impossible to tell. I can tell you that if I went by my first initial and last name, you'd have no idea what race I am.
    They'd find out your first name anyways when they run the back ground check on ya via your SS number.
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