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Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

Should Tobacco be banned and Marijuana legalized?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 22.6%

  • No

    Votes: 14 45.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 32.3%
  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .
earthworm said:
Both substances are harmful.
Only a fool would try to prohibit either.
We have no shortage of fools.
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We also have no shortage of government nannies who want to protect us all from ourselves. Smoking is none of their damn business.
 
Don't take Amsterdam as an example for anything.
 
danarhea said:
We also have no shortage of government nannies who want to protect us all from ourselves.People are too stupid to protect themselves, and their degree of respect for others is not as high as it should be; but I think it is far better now than 20 years ago. Smoking is none of their damn business.
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Disagree, to an extent.
Things today are much better now that smoking has been nearly totally banned. This, thanks to what some say is government nannie-ism.
As I say, those who smoke, and I do not care what they smoke, are fools. When I smoked at 16 years of age, I was a fool.
Banning marijuana is even more foolish, those people should know better.
 
jr602az said:
400,000 People are dieing in America from tobacco u idiot and marijuana does not cause any deaths you dumb ass.
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You sound more liberal than libertarian.
 
apdst said:
People would switch from tobacco to weed. Weed is five times more cnacer causing than tobacco.
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Do you just ignore information that does not support your skewed thinking? I destroyed your cancer argument here quite recently:


http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/57162-exclusion-menthol-cigarettes-ban-worries-health-experts-5.html#post1058276713

Here I will repost the links to the studies (and this is only a handful of many more pointing to the same thing)

Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use And Lung Cancer

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows

A Population-Based Case-Control Study of Marijuana Use and Head and Neck Squamous Cell Carcinoma -- Liang et al. 2 (8): 759 -- Cancer Prevention Research

And people will not switch from tobacco to weed if Cigs were illegal. Cigs would still be extremely easy to attain, what would happen is that we would see children being able to get their hands on cigs without any controls, and people dying over the tobacco black market.

And while I am at it.. one other thing I have noticed that has been overlooked in this thread premise.. tobacco (the product) is still very legal in Amsterdam, the only thing that is banned here is smoking (the action) in public. Sex in public is universally banned, but that does not mean that sex is illegal.
 
jr602az said:
The THC are Cristal's from the marijuana
Prescription drugs are coped from the THC

Prescription drugs don't work because it cusses more damage in your body and kills over 800,000 people per year in America alone.
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No, if used correctly, prescription drugs DO work and cause far less damage to your body than marijuana. You do not know what you are talking about.
 
marduc said:
Do you just ignore information that does not support your skewed thinking? I destroyed your cancer argument here quite recently:


http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/57162-exclusion-menthol-cigarettes-ban-worries-health-experts-5.html#post1058276713

Here I will repost the links to the studies (and this is only a handful of many more pointing to the same thing)

Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use And Lung Cancer

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows

A Population-Based Case-Control Study of Marijuana Use and Head and Neck Squamous Cell Carcinoma -- Liang et al. 2 (8): 759 -- Cancer Prevention Research

And people will not switch from tobacco to weed if Cigs were illegal. Cigs would still be extremely easy to attain, what would happen is that we would see children being able to get their hands on cigs without any controls, and people dying over the tobacco black market.

And while I am at it.. one other thing I have noticed that has been overlooked in this thread premise.. tobacco (the product) is still very legal in Amsterdam, the only thing that is banned here is smoking (the action) in public. Sex in public is universally banned, but that does not mean that sex is illegal.
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It's an established fact that marijuana has five times more cancer causing chemicals than cigarettes. Post what you will, but you'll never refute those facts.
 
apdst said:
It's an established fact that marijuana has five times more cander causing chemicals than cigarettes. Post what you will, but you'll never refute those facts.
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It is a proven fact that some of the cancer causing chemicals that are common in both marijuana and tobacco smoke are more prevalent in marijuana smoke(notably tar which is 5x more prevalent). No argument there.

This does not = "Weed is five times more cnacer causing than tobacco."


Numerous studies are not showing a correlation between mj and cancer (despite expectations to the contrary), and other studies are pointing to the reason why. Although there are cancer causing chems in the smoke (note I did not say in the marijuana itself) there are also chemicals that seems to retard cancer growth at the same time (THC and other cannabanoids.. read my links)
 
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aps said:
To answer the question: I would love to see tobacco banned completely. I agree that you can't ban tobacco and legalize marijuana.
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I think banning tabacco would cause more problems than the ban solves
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, if used correctly, prescription drugs DO work and cause far less damage to your body than marijuana. You do not know what you are talking about.
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to be fair here (since I know you hate blanket statement arguments :D) not all drugs can fit into this.

The most hazardous thing about marijuana is the delivery method.. if we were to compare an ingested pill to ingested marijuana then the body damage argument is shifted dramatically.
 
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To my knowledge, smoking cannabis via vaporizer does not cause cancer whatsoever, and has insulating and anti-oxidant properties on the brain and lungs. If you smoke it via joint, then you are inhaling combustable material which can cause problems down the road such as emphysema and greater susceptibility to respiratory infection, but the essential ingredient that causes the high, THC, is not harmful to you over the long term.

I have not read conclusive studies that cannabis causes cancer, only presumptions that it may cause cancer. Most of the studies are flawed because the test subjects have also smoked cigarettes within their lifetimes. It is hard to find a control group that has exclusively smoked cannabis. Even if you only smoked one pack of cigarettes in your life, those chemicals can remain lodged in the lungs for years.

I've also read studies which suggest that the THC content in cannabis has a neutralizing effect on the damage to the lungs, in that after the damage is caused the effect of the THC aids the body in rapid repair.
 
Apocalypse said:
Don't take Amsterdam as an example for anything.
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Why not? Amsterdam (and the Netherlands as a whole) is a safe, healthy place to live. Contrast that to the United States, where the drug war rages on, where you have gang warfare on the streets of almost every large city and huge amounts of poverty.

I'd say the examples of these two countries show pretty clearly which approach to drugs makes more sense.
 
400,000 People are dieing in America from tobacco u idiot and marijuana does not cause any deaths you dumb ass.
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jr602az said:
400,000 People are dieing in America from tobacco u idiot and marijuana does not cause any deaths you dumb ass.
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Wow. What a nice way to get others to listen to what ya have to say. :rofl

I support making weed legal here but if you think that weed has not caused deaths? You best think again. Ever heard of people lacing weed with bad stuff?
 
jr602az said:
MJ does not cause any cancer
MJ helps cure cancer and all disease's

Watch the video about "Marijuana Driving Test" on YouTube and you will see Proof.
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If MJ helped cure all diseases don't ya think they would be handing it out like crazy? Or is this just another conspiracy theory to where the evil medical community do not wish to do that because big pharma will lose money? That I can get behind but tossing out a claim that it helps with ALL diseases is silly at best. :)
 
jr602az said:
How can you say that it does not cure cancer? It does cure cancer and i got proof of it.:)
Did you know that prescription drugs are coped like the marijuana from the THC.

The governments has lied to use about the war on drugs because it was all part of racism to arrest all blacks and Mexicans for slavery in prison.

Marijuana was used in America back in the 1930s for personal and medically.
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Ahh.. The good ole' days.. Back in the day Coke was made with real coke. :mrgreen:
 
jr602az said:
The THC are Cristal's from the marijuana
Prescription drugs are coped from the THC

Prescription drugs don't work because it cusses more damage in your body and kills over 800,000 people per year in America alone.
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Well I am here to tell ya that without my scripts? I would either be dead or in a mental hospital. Prescription drugs have saved many a life:)
 
jr602az said:
How can you say that it does not cure cancer? It does cure cancer and i got proof of it.:)
Did you know that prescription drugs are coped like the marijuana from the THC.

The governments has lied to use about the war on drugs because it was all part of racism to arrest all blacks and Mexicans for slavery in prison.

Marijuana was used in America back in the 1930s for personal and medically.
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Weed DOES cause cancer. The lead guitar player from my last band underwent a lung resection, where half his lung was taken out at the VA Hospital here in Houston not long ago. He smoked weed to feel better from his diabetes and lupus. Weed contains tar, just like tobacco does, and it is tar, not nicotine, that causes cancer. In fact, weed contains more tar than tobacco. However, if someone wants to smoke cigarettes, or if someone wants to smoke weed, it is none of anybody else business, especially that of the government.
 
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tobacco is much more addictive and significantly worse for your health however it actually IMPROVES a person's ability to FUNCTION in most circumstances.

nicotine is a STIMULANT which DRAMATICALLY reduces appetite and provides a STRONG BOOST for confidence. i don't smoke but i have used nicotine gum for both appetite suppression and to increase confidence when going out. nicotine also increases testosterone significantly. the combined effect of lowered appetite, increased energy and testosterone can noticeably enhance a male's appearance, therefore nicotine is used by some bodybuilders ( very few, but i was one of them ).

marijuana on the other hand is a STRONG DOWNER.

in other words smoking tobacco will kill you but it won't interfere with your ability to work, drive or hold a conversation.

marijuana will likely not hurt your health but it will VERY LIKELY DESTROY your lifestyle.

aside from Comedians i don't know too many successful potheads.

i voted "other" because ALL DRUGS should be legal ( but heavily taxed ).

ps: to those considering the use of nicotine gum or patch for what i used it for please keep in mind - nicotine causes HEART DISEASE.
 
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aps said:
I don't mean to be a jerk, but I'm not remotely sympathetic for this death. I'm just relieved that he didn't kill anyone else.
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Yea, what a worthless piece of garbage he was...:roll:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I would have to find the posts, but I've debated this before. MJ ABSOLUTELY impairs one's ability to drive effectively. All legitimate research shows this. From what I recall the two arguments that marijuana users present...both of which are easily refuted are:

1) Marijuana users report being able to drive better after having smoked.

This is a ridiculous fallacy. They are impaired and under the influence of a substance and have no ability to assess their driving ability.

2) Marijuana users report driving more carefully after having smoked.

This demonstrates that they KNOW their perceptions are impaired; they cannot drive normally...they must take extra care or their driving will be problematic.

Remember something. Marijuana impairs your perceptions...that's what it is supposed to do. Therefore, one CANNOT behave similarly to one who is not under the influence.
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I know hundreds and hundreds of people who have driven while high. The vast majority of them are doing okay...
 
I don't care either way whether marijuana or tobacco are legal, as long as they are illegal in public spaces. Ruin your own lungs all you want, but leave mine and the lungs of my family members out of it.
 
Ethereal said:
I know hundreds and hundreds of people who have driven while high. The vast majority of them are doing okay...
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when you're stoned you should only drive nice cars and drive them in a meditative manner. get a good feel for the engine, transmission and steering. you can't experience a car the same way when sober.

i don't enjoy doing more than 40 mph when stoned.

i don't enjoy doing less than 90 mph when drunk.

driving on every drug is different. but the only drugs from my experience that improve your driving are provigil, amphetamines and cocaine. most drugs make you drive worse.

driving on mushrooms is next to impossible - i kept confusing driveways and intersections.
 
marduc said:
to be fair here (since I know you hate blanket statement arguments :D) not all drugs can fit into this.

The most hazardous thing about marijuana is the delivery method.. if we were to compare an ingested pill to ingested marijuana then the body damage argument is shifted dramatically.
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This is dependent on whether each substance was used as directed.
 
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