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Thread: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, no he doesn't.
    Yeah he does.
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    No, both should be legalized and let adults do what they want to their own bodies.
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    The degree of misinformation you people have absorbed is alarming.
    Marijuana is not addictive and not smoked as often as cigarettes, meaning you inhale less tar during your week. There are also smoking methods that eliminate the burning of the plant, meaning no tar.

    The effect of marijuana is different to different people. An accident while on marijuana is most likely to be caused by over caution and hesitation due to paranoia. This is rare. And with the number of people using their cars to ride around and get high (the primary method for those without a 'pad' to spend time at) and thats alot of people. Marijuana is not causing accidents.

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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Marijuana is not addictive and not smoked as often as cigarettes, meaning you inhale less tar during your week.
    It's not addictive but it's habit forming.

    If you smoke pot several times a week, which most regular users do, then they are easily inhaling more tar than cigarette smokers.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    There are also smoking methods that eliminate the burning of the plant, meaning no tar.
    True... vaporizing is beneficial, and that's not something you can do with tobacco, to my knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The effect of marijuana is different to different people. An accident while on marijuana is most likely to be caused by over caution and hesitation due to paranoia. This is rare.
    Source?

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    And with the number of people using their cars to ride around and get high (the primary method for those without a 'pad' to spend time at) and thats alot of people. Marijuana is not causing accidents.
    We don't really know that for sure since it's not legal in the places that need the studies the most, like in North America. Few people would risk coming forward and being stigmatized, so the control groups are usually small or based on mere individuals and anecdotal evidence.

    What is known for sure is that cannabis impairs motor function and every day thought processing. It impairs short term memory as well. It's a depressant just like alcohol is, and slows down reaction time. In fact, I do believe that cannabis and alcohol both have the same chart for peak high and come-down. During the peak you are the least likely to react in time to immediate and imminent danger. It does tend to make people more mindful but those good intentions don't necessarily translate to an effective reaction time on the road.

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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post

    We don't really know that for sure since it's not legal in the places that need the studies the most, like in North America. Few people would risk coming forward and being stigmatized, so the control groups are usually small or based on mere individuals and anecdotal evidence.

    What is known for sure is that cannabis impairs motor function and every day thought processing. It impairs short term memory as well. It's a depressant just like alcohol is, and slows down reaction time. In fact, I do believe that cannabis and alcohol both have the same chart for peak high and come-down. During the peak you are the least likely to react in time to immediate and imminent danger. It does tend to make people more mindful but those good intentions don't necessarily translate to an effective reaction time on the road.
    Source?
    I really cant recall its information that I absorbed years ago.

    Habit forming I guess I could agree with in that possessing a certain amount you are likely to smoke it over a relatively short period of time. Meaning a habit is formed, sure.

    Im for legalizing small amounts of it. What the ramifications are for the police state , I do not know.

    Are you sure that marijuana has more tar than cigarettes? That strikes me as REALLY hard to believe. But i will suspend my disbelief. Anyone have a source?

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    It has about seven times more tar, if I recall... and releases more carbon monoxide to boot. This has big ramifications for things like respiratory infections. The cilia in your lungs will get hampered a lot faster by smoking joints and you'll be more susceptible to getting things like bronchitis.

    The cancer link isn't the same though. Tar in of itself doesn't necessarily cause cancer. It's proven with cigarettes but not with cannabis tar. I'd wager it's not 'good' for you though.

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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    tobacco: 430,000 deaths in the US every year (millions worldwide)
    alcohol: 85,000 deaths in the US every year, (15,000 die because of drunk drivers)
    Marijuana: 0
    Exceedingly hard to prove, since people who do one of the above often do another one or two of the above as well.

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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The degree of misinformation you people have absorbed is alarming.
    Marijuana is not addictive and not smoked as often as cigarettes, meaning you inhale less tar during your week. There are also smoking methods that eliminate the burning of the plant, meaning no tar.

    The effect of marijuana is different to different people. An accident while on marijuana is most likely to be caused by over caution and hesitation due to paranoia. This is rare. And with the number of people using their cars to ride around and get high (the primary method for those without a 'pad' to spend time at) and thats alot of people. Marijuana is not causing accidents.
    Marijuana is Not addictive? I think you are the one with misinformation. I know people who are addicted to weed and smoke it from the time they get up til the time they go to bed.
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post

    What is known for sure is that cannabis impairs motor function and every day thought processing. It impairs short term memory as well. It's a depressant just like alcohol is, and slows down reaction time. In fact, I do believe that cannabis and alcohol both have the same chart for peak high and come-down. During the peak you are the least likely to react in time to immediate and imminent danger. It does tend to make people more mindful but those good intentions don't necessarily translate to an effective reaction time on the road.
    Marijuana is a mild hallucinogen, not a depressant. Also, there is no way that the reaction time for a Marijuana smoker is comparable to someone who is under the influence of alcohol.
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