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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    The THC are Cristal's from the marijuana
    Prescription drugs are coped from the THC

    Prescription drugs don't work because it cusses more damage in your body and kills over 800,000 people per year in America alone.
    No, if used correctly, prescription drugs DO work and cause far less damage to your body than marijuana. You do not know what you are talking about.
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

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    You sound more liberal than libertarian.
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Do you just ignore information that does not support your skewed thinking? I destroyed your cancer argument here quite recently:


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058276713

    Here I will repost the links to the studies (and this is only a handful of many more pointing to the same thing)

    Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use And Lung Cancer

    Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows

    A Population-Based Case-Control Study of Marijuana Use and Head and Neck Squamous Cell Carcinoma -- Liang et al. 2 (8): 759 -- Cancer Prevention Research

    And people will not switch from tobacco to weed if Cigs were illegal. Cigs would still be extremely easy to attain, what would happen is that we would see children being able to get their hands on cigs without any controls, and people dying over the tobacco black market.

    And while I am at it.. one other thing I have noticed that has been overlooked in this thread premise.. tobacco (the product) is still very legal in Amsterdam, the only thing that is banned here is smoking (the action) in public. Sex in public is universally banned, but that does not mean that sex is illegal.
    It's an established fact that marijuana has five times more cancer causing chemicals than cigarettes. Post what you will, but you'll never refute those facts.
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's an established fact that marijuana has five times more cander causing chemicals than cigarettes. Post what you will, but you'll never refute those facts.
    It is a proven fact that some of the cancer causing chemicals that are common in both marijuana and tobacco smoke are more prevalent in marijuana smoke(notably tar which is 5x more prevalent). No argument there.

    This does not = "Weed is five times more cnacer causing than tobacco."


    Numerous studies are not showing a correlation between mj and cancer (despite expectations to the contrary), and other studies are pointing to the reason why. Although there are cancer causing chems in the smoke (note I did not say in the marijuana itself) there are also chemicals that seems to retard cancer growth at the same time (THC and other cannabanoids.. read my links)
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    To answer the question: I would love to see tobacco banned completely. I agree that you can't ban tobacco and legalize marijuana.


    I think banning tabacco would cause more problems than the ban solves

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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, if used correctly, prescription drugs DO work and cause far less damage to your body than marijuana. You do not know what you are talking about.
    to be fair here (since I know you hate blanket statement arguments ) not all drugs can fit into this.

    The most hazardous thing about marijuana is the delivery method.. if we were to compare an ingested pill to ingested marijuana then the body damage argument is shifted dramatically.
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    To my knowledge, smoking cannabis via vaporizer does not cause cancer whatsoever, and has insulating and anti-oxidant properties on the brain and lungs. If you smoke it via joint, then you are inhaling combustable material which can cause problems down the road such as emphysema and greater susceptibility to respiratory infection, but the essential ingredient that causes the high, THC, is not harmful to you over the long term.

    I have not read conclusive studies that cannabis causes cancer, only presumptions that it may cause cancer. Most of the studies are flawed because the test subjects have also smoked cigarettes within their lifetimes. It is hard to find a control group that has exclusively smoked cannabis. Even if you only smoked one pack of cigarettes in your life, those chemicals can remain lodged in the lungs for years.

    I've also read studies which suggest that the THC content in cannabis has a neutralizing effect on the damage to the lungs, in that after the damage is caused the effect of the THC aids the body in rapid repair.

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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Don't take Amsterdam as an example for anything.
    Why not? Amsterdam (and the Netherlands as a whole) is a safe, healthy place to live. Contrast that to the United States, where the drug war rages on, where you have gang warfare on the streets of almost every large city and huge amounts of poverty.

    I'd say the examples of these two countries show pretty clearly which approach to drugs makes more sense.
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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    400,000 People are dieing in America from tobacco u idiot and marijuana does not cause any deaths you dumb ass.



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    Re: Tobacco Is Illegal In Amsterdam

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    400,000 People are dieing in America from tobacco u idiot and marijuana does not cause any deaths you dumb ass.
    Wow. What a nice way to get others to listen to what ya have to say.

    I support making weed legal here but if you think that weed has not caused deaths? You best think again. Ever heard of people lacing weed with bad stuff?
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