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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And you think he would have accomplished something he did not if he had not gone?
    It is possible. Unlikely yes. But still possible. But even a slight possibility is better than no possibility because it was never addressed.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It is possible. Unlikely yes. But still possible. But even a slight possibility is better than no possibility because it was never addressed.
    You really think it was possible an hour or so out of his day kept Obama from doing something important for this country? I think the likelihood is remote to the point of being able to discount it.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You really think it was possible an hour or so out of his day kept Obama from doing something important for this country? I think the likelihood is remote to the point of being able to discount it.
    Again even a remote chance is better than no chance what so ever. And it doesn't have to just be about accomplishing anything big. Lets take education for an example.

    Lets say that Obama spent an hour reviewing the pro's and con's of unionizing teacher's or not. That is an hour spent informing himself of a hot button issue. Because of that later on he can make an informed decision regarding it. That would not be time wasted.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Again even a remote chance is better than no chance what so ever. And it doesn't have to just be about accomplishing anything big. Lets take education for an example.

    Lets say that Obama spent an hour reviewing the pro's and con's of unionizing teacher's or not. That is an hour spent informing himself of a hot button issue. Because of that later on he can make an informed decision regarding it. That would not be time wasted.
    Again, the likelihood of his not being able to read a report because he went in support of the Olympic bid is so remote I think it can be discounted. All he would need do is stay up an hour late to make up the time.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, the likelihood of his not being able to read a report because he went in support of the Olympic bid is so remote I think it can be discounted. All he would need do is stay up an hour late to make up the time.
    If he's going to stay up that extra hour then he could have informed himself of another issue.

    See that's the thing. No matter how you swing it he could have been working on something more important. There are only so many hours in a day to work on something. I would rather him be working on something more important than working on the bid for some games that I will never watch.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, the likelihood of his not being able to read a report because he went in support of the Olympic bid is so remote I think it can be discounted. All he would need do is stay up an hour late to make up the time.
    On the flip side...

    Wasn't one of the issues some liberals tended to use to go after Bush working from the Ranch, or not going to katrina right after, or finish reading to the kids rather than run out immedietely to go deal with 9/11 issues, or the fact that he spoke in a weird accent and got words wrong, is the fact that even if all those things aren't really "wrong" that they give a "negative perception" and that perception, regardless of whether its a true perception or not, is bad and makes America look bad and insults those he's ignoring/offending?

    If that's the case, isn't it the same thing here? That regardless of whether it really basically ruined 2 hours of work time for him that could've been spent jogging back in DC, its the PERCEPTION that he's presenting that he's dropping everything to go pitch for his city to get the Olympics while people are dieing in Afghanistan, the health care debate still rages on with no seeming end in sight, stimulous doesn't seem to be doing much stimulation, and unemployement is still looking bad.

    I don't actually think this, but could that be a "fair" thing to feel?

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If he's going to stay up that extra hour then he could have informed himself of another issue.

    See that's the thing. No matter how you swing it he could have been working on something more important. There are only so many hours in a day to work on something. I would rather him be working on something more important than working on the bid for some games that I will never watch.
    Do you have issues with Presidents taking time to exercise, say mountain biking or jogging?

    Do you have issues with Presidents eating sit down meals with their family and talking to them about their days rather than getting something quick, stuffing it down, and going back to work?

    Do you have issues if a President takes time one day to watch a sports game?

    Do you have issues when the President invites the Champions of various sports to the White House?

    Do you have issues if the President takes a nap at some point during the day due to exhaustion?

    Do you have issues if the President takes 30 minutes after a meeting with some Senators from both sides of the aisle to have a bit of social time with them?

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you have issues with Presidents taking time to exercise, say mountain biking or jogging?
    When it's on their time in a non-official capacity. No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you have issues with Presidents eating sit down meals with their family and talking to them about their days rather than getting something quick, stuffing it down, and going back to work?
    Same as above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you have issues if a President takes time one day to watch a sports game?
    Same as above.

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    Do you have issues when the President invites the Champions of various sports to the White House?
    Yes and no. Yes because I believe that a Presidents time should be used for more important matters. No because doing such does increase morality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you have issues if the President takes a nap at some point during the day due to exhaustion?
    No. He is only human and humans need sleep. Humans can literally die from lack of sleep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you have issues if the President takes 30 minutes after a meeting with some Senators from both sides of the aisle to have a bit of social time with them?
    No. As that is 1 unofficial time and 2 it builds a repor(sp?) with those Senators which could help get something good passed through the Senate.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you have issues with Presidents taking time to exercise, say mountain biking or jogging?

    Do you have issues with Presidents eating sit down meals with their family and talking to them about their days rather than getting something quick, stuffing it down, and going back to work?

    Do you have issues if a President takes time one day to watch a sports game?

    Do you have issues when the President invites the Champions of various sports to the White House?

    Do you have issues if the President takes a nap at some point during the day due to exhaustion?

    Do you have issues if the President takes 30 minutes after a meeting with some Senators from both sides of the aisle to have a bit of social time with them?
    I think the president should devote the same level of time to his job as the soldiers in the field have to devote to their jobs, until the war has been decided. Wolf down his chow, get back work, miss out on his afternoon nap, long hours ad short sleep, no vacations, etc. So, yeah, I have a problem with the president doing all those things.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think the president should devote the same level of time to his job as the soldiers in the field have to devote to their jobs, until the war has been decided. Wolf down his chow, get back work, miss out on his afternoon nap, long hours ad short sleep, no vacations, etc. So, yeah, I have a problem with the president doing all those things.
    Good point actually.
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