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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why is Afghanistan war being the only example being used? There are far more things on Obama's plate than just that war. Using just the war and not showing all the other things on Obama's plate is an inaccurate representation of the things Obama is suppose to be doing. I already gave such a list once in this thread.
    Can you show where the Olympic bid took away from those?
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Can you show where the Olympic bid took away from those?
    The very fact that he took time out to talk about it is time that he could have instead been talking about something more important.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    .....I wonder where all these people were when Bush was on vacation and an American city was underwater. Oh that's right....
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The very fact that he took time out to talk about it is time that he could have instead been talking about something more important.
    Like bringing thousands of tourists into the US spending money?

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yay for wonderful hyperbole!

    Ugg.

    Serious, determining whether someone is becoming "the worst" president in history....DURING THEIR FREAKING ADMINISTRATION, let alone even a decade later....is incredibly foolhearty. So often things put forth into action by a President don't have their full ramifications show up until sometime in the future. Be it that it takes that long to go into effect, or if the slow but lengthy longevity of a positive looks far better than the initial small bonus it showed at first, or something that started off huge bombs off, etc. Its not something that can be honestly really judged right off. If you want to say "bad", sure go ahead. If you want to say he's the worst you've seen personally, sure. If you want to say you think he will be one of, eh, okay. But to unequiviocally state he's becoming THE WORST is just gross hyperbole based on nothing but hyper partisan biased views.

    And even if we are....

    This is a classic example of hyper partisanship attempting to just go after the guy in office. Because the only standard I can see you using to justify calling him the worst is the expansion of government, expansion of the welfare state, expansion of the federal debt, poor supreme court choice, and perhaps fear of removal of civil liberties. Going from the extreme right sided mindset of this, even Obama can't be listed as "the worst ever" under that criteria because he still pales in comparison to FDR at the majority of those things, on top of which FDR has history backing him as we can actually look at see the longevity his things have had on society and their effects which we won't be able to do for decades with Obama.

    Just no.

    Did I say that PBO is the worst president in history? I didn't, did I?

    What I did say, is that he's working on becoming the worst president in history. If the next three years go like the past 9 months, then he'll certainly win that claim to fame. It didn't take decades to figure out that Carter was a crappy president.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    .....I wonder where all these people were when Bush was on vacation and an American city was underwater. Oh that's right....
    We were waiting and wondering when state and local officials were going to do their jobs and request the neccessary Federal assistance. Instead, the governer told the president that everything was a-ok, two hours after the 17th Street Canal levee failed.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The very fact that he took time out to talk about it is time that he could have instead been talking about something more important.
    And you think he would have accomplished something he did not if he had not gone?
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    .....I wonder where all these people were when Bush was on vacation and an American city was underwater. Oh that's right....
    What makes you think that Bush wasn't critisized for the Katrina response? Here's a couple right here...







    U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain has criticized the leader of his own party, saying the Bush administration's response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 was "disgraceful."
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    I find it funny when people say such things as you did Hatuey when there is tons of evidence that Bush was critized also. Such statements make it try to look like no one ever critized Bush.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Like bringing thousands of tourists into the US spending money?
    Instead of replying to this directly I'll use another post that was said in a different thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Speaking as someone who is living in the city of the 2010 Olympics, the people of Chicago should be glad that they dodged a financial bullet like this. The Olympics are a banquet for the rich, usually at the expense of tax payers under the guise of 'infrastructure' projects, and it's the tax payers who shoulder the burden of the debt for years to come.

    If you lookup the past 5-6 Olympic cities - and especially those for the summer olympics - they took decades to pay off their debt from the Olympics.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What makes you think that Bush wasn't critisized for the Katrina response?
    The question would be whether it is the same people doing the criticizing. If the people who excused Bush from taking a record number of vacation days are the same one bitching about Obama going to the Olympics when he has not approved a troop request, then it shows a selective bias, and vice versa. If those who are defending Obama now complained then, it's selective bias.

    However, the question is not is it fair considering last time, I was not posting here then, that time is past, and I am asking only about this time.
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