View Poll Results: Is the argument presented in the OP fair?

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    No we would'nt....it isnt the Presidents job to lobby for the olympics.
    & why is that? (because you say so?) There were many other world leaders there, lobbying for their country too.

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    & why is that? (because you say so?) There were many other world leaders there, lobbying for their country too.
    Screw the other leaders....they have nothing better to do....Officials from the city of Chicago should've been the ones lobbying.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    An opinion can be wrong or right but it is not a lie.


    A lie:
    (n.) A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
    Normally you would be correct. But in this case it's being spouted so often that it has in itself become a statement. Not by any individual..but by a group.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Normally you would be correct. But in this case it's being spouted so often that it has in itself become a statement. Not by any individual..but by a group.
    I think it's pretty obvious the right wing anti-Obama group will attack him no matter what action he takes or doesn't take. They always paint him into a "No win" corner.
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    Cheering when we don't get the Olympics because they think it's Obama's failure & not a loss or the U.S & jeering him when he wins the Nobel peace Prize?....Our President.......Is somehow bad for winning the Nobel Peace prize?
    Don't you think it's obvious to most Americans that this anti-Obama hysteria is just that.....Hysteria & not good for our country?
    Wouldn't it be smarter & less obviously partisan to pick & choose their fights with him rather than being against EVERYTHING he does?
    I do.
    (I I hated GW Bush but wasn't against everything he did....not everything)
    Last edited by Devil505; 10-09-09 at 06:43 PM.

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I think it's pretty obvious the right wing anti-Obama group will attack him no matter what action he takes or doesn't take. They always paint him into a "No win" corner.
    ie:
    Cheering when we don't get the Olympics because they think it's Obama's failure & not a loss or the U.S & jeering him when he wins the Nobel peace Prize?....Our President.......Is somehow bad for winning the Nobel Peace prize?
    Don't you think it's obvious to most Americans that this anti-Obama hysteria is just that.....Hysteria & not good for our country?
    Wouldn't it be smarter & less obviously partisan to pick & choose their fights with him rather than being against EVERYTHING he does?
    I do.
    (I I hated GW Bush but wasn't against everything he did....not everything)
    Umm I'm going to look around for a thread here about that NPP that Obama got and going to post something which I would like you to answer. If I can't find it i'll start one in the general political fora.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Umm I'm going to look around for a thread here about that NPP that Obama got and going to post something which I would like you to answer. If I can't find it i'll start one in the general political fora.
    ....Gotcha....

    But if it's something saying the NPP is not good, that's really not my point. You (general you) can attack each individual action, non-action or decision that Obama makes & sound credible.... on that one issue. But if you are against EVERYTHING he says, does or decides, then your motives are highly suspect & most probably strictly partisan.
    Last edited by Devil505; 10-09-09 at 06:55 PM.

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    ....Gotcha....

    But if it's something saying the NPP is not good, that's really not my point. You (general you) can attack each individual action, non-action or decision that Obama makes & sound credible.... on that one issue. But if you are against EVERYTHING he says, does or decides, then your motives are highly suspect & most probably strictly partisan.

    I have begun to have a hard time taking any of the conservative criticisms of Obama seriously (reported on the news, not any individual poster). They have shot off their mouths and made posters about every damn thing. They're just not credible anymore. And it's not good either, because some criticisms are warranted, but it's like listening for a whisper in a roar. They criticized him for not wearing a jacket in his office FFS. And wasting money on Wed night cocktail mixers in the winter. They freaking criticized him for every damn thing, with equal venom and indignation.
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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Screw the other leaders....they have nothing better to do....Officials from the city of Chicago should've been the ones lobbying.
    We, as a nation must distance ourselves from this "screwing others" business and become civilized.
    Chicago should have been campaigning for a Brazilian city, either Sao Paulo or The River of January as the next Olympics site...
    And if they have time for this nonsense, then we probably have too many "officials", so lets lay them off rather than the working man.

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I have begun to have a hard time taking any of the conservative criticisms of Obama seriously (reported on the news, not any individual poster). They have shot off their mouths and made posters about every damn thing. They're just not credible anymore. And it's not good either, because some criticisms are warranted, but it's like listening for a whisper in a roar. They criticized him for not wearing a jacket in his office FFS. And wasting money on Wed night cocktail mixers in the winter. They freaking criticized him for every damn thing, with equal venom and indignation.
    Have I previously written that I am 100% disgusted with the behavior of the conservatives, that,IMO, they have no credibility, that if they are against something, anything, it must be good for our people and/or our nation.

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    Re: Is This a Fair Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    ....Gotcha....

    But if it's something saying the NPP is not good, that's really not my point. You (general you) can attack each individual action, non-action or decision that Obama makes & sound credible.... on that one issue. But if you are against EVERYTHING he says, does or decides, then your motives are highly suspect & most probably strictly partisan.
    I go policy by policy. And there's very few of them that I agree with.

    The thing about me is that I think that all parties should be disbanded. This is one country with one people. I believe that the views of the people should be represented by everyone in Congress/Senate. Not just by a persons party. This party system, I believe, is what has led us to the point where people now vote for the lesser of two evils.

    This is why I label myself as an Independent.
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