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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    There's a large chunk of Liberals, Conservatives, and even Independents who shriek without evidence too.
    This is true. I have the same problem with anti-abortion conservatives who recite the "baby-killing" dogma as though everyone already agreed with them. I have the same problem with liberals who have a knee-jerk opposition to any muscular foreign policy, whether it makes the world safer or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus
    You're making hasty generalizations and applying a double standard to us and more "mainstream" folks
    I have just noticed that this applies much moreso to libertarians than the others. On any given issue, you can expect some liberals and some conservatives to argue rationally, and others to argue irrationally. But it is very rare that I debate a libertarian on ANY issue who doesn't resort to either cliches ("Let the free market decide"), insults ("You hate freedom if you disagree with me"), or unproven dogma ("The government can't do anything right").
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Yes, I love bull****.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    so **** lovers - do you think everything is always true ?

    that TV is a truth machine ? that god speaks to you directly through your ****ing wretched tube ?
    and you think everything is false.

    Some of the things you wrote are debatable, but others are just downright loony.


    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    do you enjoy being told things which are obviously bull**** such as:

    1 - we went to iraq for national security
    This is a point worth arguing in my opinion. Many people take umbrage with the Iraq war, and this is the general argument they use to criticize it - that it is a war of lies, and a quagmire at that.

    2 - black people are the same as white except for color

    3 - women are the same as men except for vagina
    How is this bull****? Aren't we all humans after all? Your assumptions will alienate many people.

    4 - that jews are the victims in the palestinian conflict
    This is also debatable. Both sides are slaughtering each other, so I suppose you could take the "Israelis took the Palestinians land" argument.

    5 - that our leaders are guided by religious principles
    For the most part, this is bull****, actually.

    6 - that we *had to* bomb all those 50 or something countries that we bombed because each and every one of the tiny ****s where people can't even afford to eat threatened the greatest superpower in history of mankind with our existence
    Give me a list. I want to see which countries we bombed you are counting. If you are counting Nazi Germany occupied countries, or Imperialist Japan occupied countries, your list is skewed.

    7 - that global warming is caused by cow farts and not sun activity
    Arguing with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.

    8 - that that the only 3 concrete and steel buildings in history to collapse due to a fire all happened to collapse on the same day ( 9-11 ) by coincidence ( as opposed to from having steel columns cut by thermite ) including the building which was barely touched by fires and had basically zero damage ( WTC 7 )


    9 - that aspartame and gentically modified foods are safe. ( both were developed by Monsanto under Donald Rumsfeld as CEO who also sold Bubonic Plague and Anthrax to Saddam Hussein ). surely the man didn't abuse his position of power to get FDA to approve Aspartame and GMO despite hundreds of studies showing that the stuff is poison.
    I agree with you, actually, that aspartame isn't a safe chemical to ingest.

    and others ...

    do you enjoy being fed bull**** like that ?

    if no then why do you keep taking it ?
    But...yeah....

    If you want to be taken seriously, I recommend ditching your list for a well-formulated paragraph or something. Also, use spell check.



    Just a suggestion!
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is true. I have the same problem with anti-abortion conservatives who recite the "baby-killing" dogma as though everyone already agreed with them. I have the same problem with liberals who have a knee-jerk opposition to any muscular foreign policy, whether it makes the world safer or not.



    I have just noticed that this applies much moreso to libertarians than the others. On any given issue, you can expect some liberals and some conservatives to argue rationally, and others to argue irrationally. But it is very rare that I debate a libertarian on ANY issue who doesn't resort to either cliches ("Let the free market decide"), insults ("You hate freedom if you disagree with me"), or unproven dogma ("The government can't do anything right").
    Do you have a shred of proff of this? Most Libertarians, Conservatives, Independents, and Liberals that I talk to are rational. They make an attempt to back up their arguments. The things that you cite aren't dogma, they tend to be true in the educated opinion of many Libertarians. Dogma is present in all parties. Ignorance has almost no correlation to political affiliation.

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Just because you find comfort in the status quo doesn’t mean you’re right or more mature than “libertarians”. If anyone is a damned teenager its you and the other “liberals” who are so deadly afraid of individual freedom and responsibility that you’ll perpetuate the failed and unjust statist policies of the past.

    You have no substance, as usual, just inane blathering and ranting about “libertarians” being teenagers.
    I find it interesting how you launch into the de rigueur catch phrases about "individual freedom and responsibiliy" and "statist policies" in order to assault another poster's supposed lack of substance.

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Wow! You make a good point.

    I supported the war for different reasons but your point is a really good one.
    I initially opposed the war, but as my overall views have become more left-wing my feelings about the Iraq war have become more mixed. Is that strange?

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Do you have a shred of proff of this? Most Libertarians, Conservatives, Independents, and Liberals that I talk to are rational. They make an attempt to back up their arguments. The things that you cite aren't dogma, they tend to be true in the educated opinion of many Libertarians. Dogma is present in all parties. Ignorance has almost no correlation to political affiliation.
    Well, let's make a list of dogmatic principles:

    LIBERTARIANS:
    - The government can't do anything right.
    - The free market is always efficient.
    - It is fundamentally immoral to tax people to pay for government spending.
    - An originalist interpretation of the Constitution is the only legitimate one.
    - The government has no business telling people what to do, as long as they aren't harming others.

    LIBERALS:
    - ?

    CONSERVATIVES:
    - ?


    I can't think of ANY ideological dogmas that would apply to the vast majority of liberals or conservatives, for the vast majority of political issues. But I would be hard-pressed to find a libertarian who disagreed with any of those dogmas I listed above, let alone all of them.

    It is much wiser to examine each political issue on a case by case basis IMO. The world is too complex for simple solutions (e.g. "Let the market decide!") for every problem.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree with this. Libertarianism just seems like a very shallow ideology. If I can deduce a person's position on any given issue without them saying a word, or if they shriek "Let the market decide" as the solution to any problem in society, that usually does not reflect well on their critical thinking abilities. Maybe there are a few exceptions to this, but they are few and far between.

    That's not to say that libertarians are always wrong - I completely agree with them on drug laws, for example - but their reasoning is usually just supported by a few cliches (e.g. "government can't do anything right," "we need an originalist interpretation of the Constitution," "the free market always produces the most efficient result") which are nothing more than articles of faith.


    Yeah. Instead of critical thinking, it's usually the process of litmus tests.

    "How should a libertarian react", instaed of "Does this make sense, intuitive or otherwise?".
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, let's make a list of dogmatic principles:

    LIBERTARIANS:
    - The government can't do anything right.
    - The free market is always efficient.
    - It is fundamentally immoral to tax people to pay for government spending.
    - An originalist interpretation of the Constitution is the only legitimate one.
    - The government has no business telling people what to do.
    This is a gross misrepresentation of libertarian thought.

    Besides, it's a set of principles, which means it's not an ad hoc, case-by-case decision-making process. It's a belief in a consistent set of philosophical rules and various issues are viewed through it, not decided upon de novo each time.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    GMO foods overall are not particularly harmful. The main problem with GMOs is the threat to biodiversity should they be introduced into the wild. GMOs are often modified such that they are able to better grow in a climate, grow faster, grow larger, etc. This results in a competition for resources that may ultimately result in the GMO out-competing the wild-type and other plants/animals. Should an epidemic occur that selectively affects a GMO food, it could be like potatoes in Ireland. In a world of GMOs, maintaining biodiversity is important.

    Furthermore, it is the free-market that limits choice between unaltered or selectively breed foods and GMOs because of how cheap GMOs are to produce. If anything, the FDA makes unaltered and selectively breed foods more competitive by limiting the GMOs.

    P.S. This may be a late post but it relates to something said earlier in the thread.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, let's make a list of dogmatic principles:

    LIBERTARIANS:
    - The government can't do anything right.
    - The free market is always efficient.
    - It is fundamentally immoral to tax people to pay for government spending.
    - An originalist interpretation of the Constitution is the only legitimate one.
    - The government has no business telling people what to do, as long as they aren't harming others.
    Not by any means absolute for the vast majority of Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    LIBERALS:
    - ?
    The Democrats can do no wrong, f*ck that orgrish, te*bagging GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    CONSERVATIVES:
    - ?
    The GOP can do no wrong. F*ck those hippie, Bolshevik Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I can't think of ANY ideological dogmas that would apply to the vast majority of liberals or conservatives, for the vast majority of political issues. But I would be hard-pressed to find a libertarian who disagreed with any of those dogmas I listed above, let alone all of them.
    I can

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It is much wiser to examine each political issue on a case by case basis IMO. The world is too complex for simple solutions (e.g. "Let the market decide!") for every problem.
    How about you actually listen to our arguments before saying that we're all dogmatic

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