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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Those are generally the libertarians who come into it with a single issues or a few issues in mind and haven't embraced its gestalt.
    I don't even know who they're referring to, really.

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    Are these the "ideologues" to which they're referring? The shallow teenagers?

    Perhaps we should start a social group...

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Those are generally the libertarians who come into it with a single issues or a few issues in mind and haven't embraced its gestalt.
    I think it's just the opposite, actually. Single-issue libertarians don't really concern me. As I said, libertarians have some good ideas on a few specific issues. I'm much more concerned about the people who *do* embrace it wholesale. Their arguments frequently seem to be almost religious in nature.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think it's just the opposite, actually. Single-issue libertarians don't really concern me. As I said, libertarians have some good ideas on a few specific issues. I'm much more concerned about the people who *do* embrace it wholesale. Their arguments frequently seem to be almost religious in nature.
    I have the same concern about partisan, party-loyalists, the vast majority of which are conservative or liberal, but you don't see me going around making rude and baseless blanket statements about either ideology…

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I don't even know who they're referring to, really.

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    Are these the "ideologues" to which they're referring? The shallow teenagers?

    Perhaps we should start a social group...
    We should do that

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    We should do that
    We can call it the "The Shallow Teenagers" group, in honor of our unjustly applied moniker.

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I don't even know who they're referring to, really.

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    Are these the "ideologues" to which they're referring? The shallow teenagers?

    Perhaps we should start a social group...
    I can't speak for everyone, but the ones to whom I'm referring (who comprise a fairly large chunk of libertarians) are the ones who do some or all of the following:

    1. Complain that every policy violates an originalist interpretation of the Constitution, without bothering to explain why such an interpretation is the best. (That's one of those articles of faith.)

    2. Shriek about the immorality of taxation for the purposes of government spending, without bothering to explain why such a view is less moral than their own. (That's another article of faith.)

    3. Respond to every government-related solution to any problem by saying that government can't do anything right and/or that the free market is always inefficient, with no evidence to support these hypotheses, and in some cases with evidence to the contrary. (That's another article of faith.)

    4. The belief that every problem facing society is best solved by applying a few cliches from Atlas Shrugged.


    These are the people to whom I'm referring. If you don't fall into any of these categories, then I'm not referring to you. But most libertarians do. Maybe there are a few libertarians who have decided that they are opposed to universal health care, social security, income taxes, the Federal Reserve, an interventionist foreign policy, drug laws, gun control, corporate bailouts, and public education by honestly assessing the merits and drawbacks of each of those policies on a case-by-case basis. But they are in the very small minority. Most of them reflexively decided they were opposed to those policies because they don't like government, and then went looking for "evidence" to support their view. Really no different than religious fundamentalism.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I can't speak for everyone, but the ones to whom I'm referring (who comprise a fairly large chunk of libertarians are the ones who do some or all of the following:

    1. Complain that every policy violates an originalist interpretation of the Constitution, without bothering to explain why such an interpretation is the best. (That's one of those articles of faith.)

    2. Shriek about the immorality of taxation for the purposes of government spending, without bothering to explain why such a view is less moral than their own. (That's another article of faith.)

    3. Respond to every government-related solution to any problem by saying that government can't do anything right and/or that the free market is always inefficient, with no evidence to support these hypotheses, and in some cases with evidence to the contrary. (That's another article of faith.)

    4. The belief that every problem facing society is best solved by applying a few cliches from Atlas Shrugged.


    These are the people to whom I'm referring. If you don't fall into any of these categories, then I'm not referring to you. But most libertarians do. Maybe there are a few libertarians who have decided that they are opposed to universal health care, social security, income taxes, the Federal Reserve, an interventionist foreign policy, drug laws, gun control, corporate bailouts, and public education by honestly assessing the merits and drawbacks of each of those policies on a case-by-case basis. But they are in the very small minority. Most of them reflexively decided they were opposed to those policies because they don't like government, and then went looking for "evidence" to support their view. Really no different than religious fundamentalism.
    Whatever. I'm going to get drunk...


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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I have the same concern about partisan, party-loyalists, the vast majority of which are conservative or liberal, but you don't see me going around making rude and baseless blanket statements about either ideology…
    My statement was not really a critique of libertarian ideas themselves. It was a critique of the intellectual emptiness that surrounds many of its adherents, who recite their dogma without bothering to examine why it is superior to any other.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I can't speak for everyone, but the ones to whom I'm referring (who comprise a fairly large chunk of libertarians are the ones who do some or all of the following:

    1. Complain that every policy violates an originalist interpretation of the Constitution, without bothering to explain why such an interpretation is the best. (That's one of those articles of faith.)

    2. Shriek about the immorality of taxation for the purposes of government spending, without bothering to explain why such a view is less moral than their own. (That's another article of faith.)

    3. Respond to every government-related solution to any problem by saying that government can't do anything right and/or that the free market is always inefficient, with no evidence to support these hypotheses, and in some cases with evidence to the contrary. (That's another article of faith.)

    4. The belief that every problem facing society is best solved by applying a few cliches from Atlas Shrugged.


    These are the people to whom I'm referring. If you don't fall into any of these categories, then I'm not referring to you. But most libertarians do. Maybe there are a few libertarians who have decided that they are opposed to universal health care, social security, income taxes, the Federal Reserve, an interventionist foreign policy, drug laws, gun control, corporate bailouts, and public education by honestly assessing the merits and drawbacks of each of those policies on a case-by-case basis. But they are in the very small minority. Most of them reflexively decided they were opposed to those policies because they don't like government, and then went looking for "evidence" to support their view. Really no different than religious fundamentalism.
    There's a large chunk of Liberals, Conservatives, and even Independents who shriek without evidence too. You're making hasty generalizations and applying a double standard to us and more "mainstream" folks

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    My statement was not really a critique of libertarian ideas themselves. It was a critique of the intellectual emptiness that surrounds many of its adherents, who recite their dogma without bothering to examine why it is superior to any other.
    And etheral was pointing out that just as large a percentage of Conservatives, Independents, and Liberals do the exact same crap. You're applying a double standard

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