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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Don't put me in the same category as a few malcontents. Conservatives and Liberals are not better. Besides, going after a whole political movement like this isn't exactly mature. We aren't exactly Neo-Nazis.
    I didn't say you were. I described the majority libertarians in an analogy most people will understand. And honestly you'd be hard pressed to find somebody in the American political world who doesn't view them in that way. NEUROSPORT is the very furthest extreme of Libertarianism but my analogy stands. Libertarians are probably the easiest ideology in America to get an insult from just because you don't agree with them.

    They simply can't take being told that most grown ups in this country don't think it's a good idea to pull away from the UN or that privatizing roads is ridiculous or that maybe in the 21st century it's okay to meddle in the affairs of people with weapons that can blow up entire countries. And these are just some of the more radical ideas I hear from Libertarians and their associates.

    It's really that simple. I mean if you're not like over 90% of Libertarians I've met on this forum and elsewhere then God bless you. But you'd be in the minority. You'd be the equivalent of a black Republican or a Southern democrat. If you hold some of these views then you're a political teenager in some aspects and more like a political adult in others. I mean when Jerry and I both agree on drugs or when I, as a liberal, actually see some common ground with Conservatives on some sort of gun control it's refreshening. But Libertarians are just silly.

    They're like the family member who says the most random things for no reason and you just nod your head or face palm. Don't get me wrong. I'd have a beer with you any time regardless of your ideology. I would just vote for a Zombie Reagan before I vote for a living Libertarian.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    stop playing dumb.
    Dumb is for the ignorant and this thread already has it representation.

    As long as you need gasoline and oil based products there is no leaving the Middle East. Arabs have fought no less than 16 open wars or conflicts over the last forty years. These wars have effected oil production off and on.

    What exactly do you think a nuclear Iran will do to Sunni Arab oil production? The trbes of Iraq have all but refused to allow the oil to flow because they were are too busy hating each other to care about NEUROSPORT's gasoline prices in the States. And what about external? The entire Cold War had a huge focus on the Middle East. The Soviets started the Cold War early by forcing America and Britian to insist on its leaving Iran and Turkey immediately after WWII. By the time Korea kicked off, the Soviets were building powerful military and had great influence in the oil rich Middle East with the Suez Canal being a center focus of control.

    And before this we have the Nazis. Field-Marshall Rundstedt of Germany acknowledged that one of the factors leading to Germany's defeat was its own deficiency in oil, especially in the form of gasoline. The Allied forces used 7 billion barrels during WWII. "6" billion came from the U.S.

    So if you think just leaving the Middle East will keep Americans safe and make everybody happy and the madness will simply stop then you may want to actually think before you type. One world war and a nuclear Cold War centered around oil resources. It would be a bit harder for NEUROSPORT to get his precious gasoline with our enemies controlling it wouldn't he?

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I didn't say you were. I described the majority libertarians in an analogy most people will understand. And honestly you'd be hard pressed to find somebody in the American political world who doesn't view them in that way. NEUROSPORT is the very furthest extreme of Libertarianism but my analogy stands. Libertarians are probably the easiest ideology in America to get an insult from just because you don't agree with them.

    They simply can't take being told that most grown ups in this country don't think it's a good idea to pull away from the UN or that privatizing roads is ridiculous or that maybe in the 21st century it's okay to meddle in the affairs of people with weapons that can blow up entire countries. And these are just some of the more radical ideas I hear from Libertarians and their associates.

    It's really that simple. I mean if you're not like over 90% of Libertarians I've met on this forum and elsewhere then God bless you. But you'd be in the minority. You'd be the equivalent of a black Republican or a Southern democrat. If you hold some of these views then you're a political teenager in some aspects and more like a political adult in others. I mean when Jerry and I both agree on drugs or when I, as a liberal, actually see some common ground with Conservatives on some sort of gun control it's refreshening. But Libertarians are just silly.

    They're like the family member who says the most random things for no reason and you just nod your head or face palm. Don't get me wrong. I'd have a beer with you any time regardless of your ideology. I would just vote for a Zombie Reagan before I vote for a living Libertarian.
    Most of the libertarians I encounter strike me in much the same way as do religious fundamentalists in that they are entirely dogmatic. Of course, many of the socialist/communists strike me in much the same way, but with all of them, their politics is pretty much just an act of selecting a ready made ideology and then treating it as inviolate.

    Folks like that never really question much of anyting since they are such idealogues, and since they do not question they also do not learn. Everything just gets filtered through the political template they have chosen for themself.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Most of the libertarians I encounter strike me in much the same way as do religious fundamentalists in that they are entirely dogmatic. Of course, many of the socialist/communists strike me in much the same way, but with all of them, their politics is pretty much just an act of selecting a ready made ideology and then treating it as inviolate.

    Folks like that never really question much of anyting since they are such idealogues, and since they do not question they also do not learn. Everything just gets filtered through the political template they have chosen for themself.
    I agree with this. Libertarianism just seems like a very shallow ideology. If I can deduce a person's position on any given issue without them saying a word, or if they shriek "Let the market decide" as the solution to any problem in society, that usually does not reflect well on their critical thinking abilities. Maybe there are a few exceptions to this, but they are few and far between.

    That's not to say that libertarians are always wrong - I completely agree with them on drug laws, for example - but their reasoning is usually just supported by a few cliches (e.g. "government can't do anything right," "we need an originalist interpretation of the Constitution," "the free market always produces the most efficient result") which are nothing more than articles of faith.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I didn't say you were. I described the majority libertarians in an analogy most people will understand. And honestly you'd be hard pressed to find somebody in the American political world who doesn't view them in that way. NEUROSPORT is the very furthest extreme of Libertarianism but my analogy stands. Libertarians are probably the easiest ideology in America to get an insult from just because you don't agree with them.
    Most Libertarians that I know in my day to day life and online, aren't like that. They generrally aren't much if at all worse than Conservatives or Liberals. There are plenty of nuts on all sides. Ignorance generrally isn't a an ideological thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They simply can't take being told that most grown ups in this country don't think it's a good idea to pull away from the UN or that privatizing roads is ridiculous or that maybe in the 21st century it's okay to meddle in the affairs of people with weapons that can blow up entire countries. And these are just some of the more radical ideas I hear from Libertarians and their associates.
    Some libertarian ideas seem a bit extreme. If you don't like them, then fine debate them. Most of the things that we bring up, we back with arguments at least as much as you "Political Adults". You don't have to agree with them, but, despite what you may think we aren't any more dogmatic than Lefties or Righties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's really that simple. I mean if you're not like over 90% of Libertarians I've met on this forum and elsewhere then God bless you. But you'd be in the minority. You'd be the equivalent of a black Republican or a Southern democrat. If you hold some of these views then you're a political teenager in some aspects and more like a political adult in others. I mean when Jerry and I both agree on drugs or when I, as a liberal, actually see some common ground with Conservatives on some sort of gun control it's refreshening. But Libertarians are just silly.
    Most Libertarians that I've met aren't looney nuts. Our views may seem strange and out there. That doesn't mean that they're wrong. We're a bit odd, I'll give you that. Unpopular doesn't mean right or wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They're like the family member who says the most random things for no reason and you just nod your head or face palm. Don't get me wrong. I'd have a beer with you any time regardless of your ideology. I would just vote for a Zombie Reagan before I vote for a living Libertarian.
    That's your perogative. However, not having agreeing with someone doesn't mean that they're dumb. Inteliigent people can disagree.

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree with this. Libertarianism just seems like a very shallow ideology. If I can deduce a person's position on any given issue without them saying a word, or if they shriek "Let the market decide" as the solution to any problem in society, that usually does not reflect well on their critical thinking abilities. Maybe there are a few exceptions to this, but they are few and far between.
    I always see many Liberals and Conservatives defending their respective parties to the death. Not all are like this, but not all Libertarians are either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's not to say that libertarians are always wrong - I completely agree with them on drug laws, for example - but their reasoning is usually just supported by a few cliches (e.g. "government can't do anything right," "we need an originalist interpretation of the Constitution," "the free market always produces the most efficient result") which are nothing more than articles of faith.
    They aren't articles of faith. They're generrally true, as shown by our view of history and reason. They aren't by any means absolute, but they generrally trend that way. Virtually all Libertarians aren't oppossed to any government action, but we have a bias against government intervention unless it's pretty conclusively shown to be needed. Kind of like criminal suspects are innocent until proven guilty.

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I didn't say you were. I described the majority libertarians in an analogy most people will understand. And honestly you'd be hard pressed to find somebody in the American political world who doesn't view them in that way. NEUROSPORT is the very furthest extreme of Libertarianism but my analogy stands. Libertarians are probably the easiest ideology in America to get an insult from just because you don't agree with them.

    They simply can't take being told that most grown ups in this country don't think it's a good idea to pull away from the UN or that privatizing roads is ridiculous or that maybe in the 21st century it's okay to meddle in the affairs of people with weapons that can blow up entire countries. And these are just some of the more radical ideas I hear from Libertarians and their associates.

    It's really that simple. I mean if you're not like over 90% of Libertarians I've met on this forum and elsewhere then God bless you. But you'd be in the minority. You'd be the equivalent of a black Republican or a Southern democrat. If you hold some of these views then you're a political teenager in some aspects and more like a political adult in others. I mean when Jerry and I both agree on drugs or when I, as a liberal, actually see some common ground with Conservatives on some sort of gun control it's refreshening. But Libertarians are just silly.

    They're like the family member who says the most random things for no reason and you just nod your head or face palm. Don't get me wrong. I'd have a beer with you any time regardless of your ideology. I would just vote for a Zombie Reagan before I vote for a living Libertarian.
    Just because you find comfort in the status quo doesn’t mean you’re right or more mature than “libertarians”. If anyone is a damned teenager its you and the other “liberals” who are so deadly afraid of individual freedom and responsibility that you’ll perpetuate the failed and unjust statist policies of the past.

    You have no substance, as usual, just inane blathering and ranting about “libertarians” being teenagers.

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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree with this. Libertarianism just seems like a very shallow ideology. If I can deduce a person's position on any given issue without them saying a word, or if they shriek "Let the market decide" as the solution to any problem in society, that usually does not reflect well on their critical thinking abilities. Maybe there are a few exceptions to this, but they are few and far between.

    That's not to say that libertarians are always wrong - I completely agree with them on drug laws, for example - but their reasoning is usually just supported by a few cliches (e.g. "government can't do anything right," "we need an originalist interpretation of the Constitution," "the free market always produces the most efficient result") which are nothing more than articles of faith.
    Those are generally the libertarians who come into it with a single issues or a few issues in mind and haven't embraced its gestalt.
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    Re: Do you enjoy bull**** ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Most of the libertarians I encounter strike me in much the same way as do religious fundamentalists in that they are entirely dogmatic. Of course, many of the socialist/communists strike me in much the same way, but with all of them, their politics is pretty much just an act of selecting a ready made ideology and then treating it as inviolate.

    Folks like that never really question much of anyting since they are such idealogues, and since they do not question they also do not learn. Everything just gets filtered through the political template they have chosen for themself.
    Yea, liberals and conservatives aren't dogmatic at all. They never blindly support political parties or engage in petty partisan politics.

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