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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Abolish all immigration controls and pay reparations to the families of those killed trying to cross the border, all those deported, assaulted, and harassed in the enforcement of insane laws based on the absurd notion that all people born here are chosen people of God, and all others (or perhaps merely all brown people not born in this country) are subhuman.
    Wow.
    Someone must have REALLY pissed in your corn flakes this morning.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh, I know they don't care. Even if we give them amnesty and citizenship, they don't become Americans, they remain Mexicans living in America. They just want all the free social services we give and the jobs that we used to have so they can send billions back home to Mexico every month. Take that away and you'd never have anyone crossing the border.
    This is utter horse****. Mexicans come here and assimilate themselves incredibly fast in my opinion, especially given all the obstacles they're up against.

    My sister in law came here at 15 not knowing a word of English. She's now fluent. I took Spanish for 3 years and am not even close to being fluent. If you met her you'd have no idea she was someone who crossed the border illegally. She isn't taking advantage of any free services. She is not on welfare. She would love to not be limited to "working under the table." She'd be honored to pay taxes.

    Frankly I think you're talking out your arse with very little actual knowledge of your subject.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The so called "line" is a joke when it comes to Mexicans and those further south. They are unwanted. It is all but impossible for a poor uneducated Mexican looking for work to get legal entrance into this country. For them, there really is no "line" to speak of.
    The low quotas we have for Latin America are based on two factors I believe.

    1. We don't need a ton of unskilled workers entering our economy.

    2. We know when you count the flood of illegal immigrants each year, the de facto level of immigration from Latin America is quite high. We certainly don't need to increase those levels of immigration further by upping legal immigration quotas. If we got a real handle on controlling our borders, then we might be able to increase our quotas from Latin America.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Abolish all immigration controls and pay reparations to the families of those killed trying to cross the border, all those deported, assaulted, and harassed in the enforcement of insane laws based on the absurd notion that all people born here are chosen people of God, and all others (or perhaps merely all brown people not born in this country) are subhuman.
    Hmm a bit of a racist I see? Just in case you didn't know this but there are more illegals here in the US than just "brown people".

    And no one that I know of wants border laws because they think we are "the chosen people of God". This is an asinine comment to make and shows no understanding of economics or what limited resources are.

    It also shows that you have no understanding of why countries exist.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Abolish all immigration controls
    Um no. It is any nation's right to regulate who comes into the country.

    and pay reparations to the families of those killed trying to cross the border
    Isn't that like being forced to pay money to the scumbag or scumbag's family who broke into your home?


    all those deported
    Isn't this like being forced to pay money to trespassers because you had the police remove them from your property?

    assaulted, and harassed in the enforcement of insane laws
    Isn't this like giving the criminal money because he was arrested for breaking the law?

    based on the absurd notion that all people born here are chosen people of God,
    As far as I know the huge vast majority of people who are against illegal immigration have never made the claim they were chosen by God. Do you have any actually evidence to support this claim? I do not think Southern Poverty Law center which is a pro-illegal immigration group has even made the claim you are trying to make.


    and all others (or perhaps merely all brown people not born in this country) are subhuman.
    I do not think I have heard anyone refer to illegals as subhuman or immigrants as subhuman. Perhaps you heard this on stormfront or some other racist site where racist in general do not like people of other races even those in this country.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    This is utter horse****. Mexicans come here and assimilate themselves incredibly fast in my opinion, especially given all the obstacles they're up against.
    If that is true then why are there bilingual government forms,ballots, street signs, police officers and many other things? I do not know what dictionary you are using but I have never heard of the word "assimilate" being used to refer to forcing of the native population to be like those who either immigrated here legally or those who trespassed into this country.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If that is true then why are there bilingual government forms,ballots, street signs, police officers and many other things? I do not know what dictionary you are using but I have never heard of the word "assimilate" being used to refer to forcing of the native population to be like those who either immigrated here legally or those who trespassed into this country.
    no one is forcing you to be like another.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Should illegal aliens be offered Amnesty, semi-amnesty(paying fines or working for forgiveness), or not allowed amnesty.

    This question is a redirect from here, where we have gotten way off topic and onto this: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...an-issues.html
    poll is up.
    Actually, you can't blame the illegals here. They see an opportunity, and they also see a method to break the law, which is provided by employers who will hire them. If I was an illegal who needed work, I would do the same thing.

    The solution here is to jail employers who hire illegals, then guess what? A huge loophole for them closes tighter than a snare drum. Instead of spending money to ship them home, they will leave voluntarily, and save us the money. Hiring of illegals should be at least a class A misdemeanor, and the second offense should be a felony.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm a bit of a racist I see? Just in case you didn't know this but there are more illegals here in the US than just "brown people".
    I am decrying the obviously racist nature of the law, and that makes me "a bit of a racist"? I am well aware that more than brown people are illegal here--that is what makes the hypocrisy and racism of the law so obvious. You don't see Lou Dobbs on every night ranting about all the Swedes with expired Visas, or the illegal Canadians. Nor are there white vigilante groups standing on the Canadian border with guns. The immigration restrictions are fundamentally about Mexico, Honduras, and the other places where poor, brown people come from.
    And no one that I know of wants border laws because they think we are "the chosen people of God". This is an asinine comment to make and shows no understanding of economics or what limited resources are.
    My point is that border laws are based on asinine assumptions. The exclusion of certain people from the rights afforded to the American people assumes that we are somehow special, and the outsiders somehow unworthy. Otherwise it would be far more difficult to treat illegal immigrants like dirt, as the system must. If we were to think of them as truly human beings, the current system wouldn't be possible.
    Limited resources?? Is that the justification that is used to allow one man to own two television stations, 12 factories, 8 homes, three yachts, 50 vintage cars and another man to own nothing? For one man to have all the abundance to feed a ten thousand people and to squander it on his own luxuries? The capitalist system, long ago, abolished the necessity of poverty, starvation and material want of any kind with its high levels of production. All of these horrors are maintained in order to maximize profits, not because there isn't enough to go around.
    As for economics, my solidarity is with the working class of Mexico, the working class of Honduras, the working class of Bolivia, the working class of Ecuador, not with the ruling class of any of these, nor of the ruling class of the United States.
    It also shows that you have no understanding of why countries exist.
    Apparently in your estimation they exist in order to exclude people from basic human rights and to exploit their poverty for economic means.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no one is forcing you to be like another.
    It doesn't matter if someone is forcing me to be like another, what matters is if my tax dollars are being used to facilitate the laziness of scum who refuse to learn my nation's language. I do not expect any immigrant or illegal to get a master's degree in English, nor do I expect them to talk like a English textbook, however I do expect them to be proficient in the language of this land because tax dollars should not be used for bilingual forms,ballots, police officers and so on. .
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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