View Poll Results: Should illegal aliens get amnesty

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  • Yes, but make them pay a form of reparations to earn citizenship

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    This doesn't mean squat for someone like my sister in law. She was brought here as a teen. Her sister is legal, she is not. Her sister has a valid driver's license and social security card and she can not get one. Her sister has a decent job and she is forced to take jobs under the table on the cheap. Her family is here. Her mother, sister, nephews, aunt, etc. There is nothing in Mexico to send her back to. She has been here since she was 15! You would send her back?

    Folks like her need amnesty. They're completely f-ck'd due to their parents choices.

    She has an immigration lawyer who has been working with her on her case for over a year now. It's possible she may STILL be denied citizenship despite having been here since 15, despite being married to my brother, despite having a legal sister, legal nephews, a legal aunt, etc.

    It's a tad ridiculous. And it's fallacious to insist folks like her mother should have just followed the law and migrated legally. Unless you are a highly skilled educated person who already has a job lined up in the states they really make it all but impossible for you to legally migrate here from Mexico and further south. Best to just come here illegally and have as many of your offspring born here as possible.

    Look how hard they're making it for her! She has a husband for cripes sake who has shown he can support her. She is not on welfare and won't be. She works under the table only cause she can't currently do anything else. She'd rather not. She drives illegally 'cause she can't get a license. She is trying to sort it all out, trying to make it right, trying to correct a wrong her parents created, and they are giving her grief. It's b.s. really.
    If she is married to a US citizen she is a legal citizen, she effectively beat the system. She is one of the issues that should be dealt with on a case by case basis but everyone else needs to go. As for the Federal Government, not doing its job, there has to be some sort of clause in the Constitution that says the states have the authority to enforce a power that the Federal Government has failed to do.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    No, not only should they not be given any form of amnesty, they should be denied citizenship, perhaps permanently. At the very least, they should go straight to the back of the line. Why in the world would we want to give citizenship to people who have already demonstrated a complete disregard for our most basic laws?
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, not only should they not be given any form of amnesty, they should be denied citizenship, perhaps permanently. At the very least, they should go straight to the back of the line. Why in the world would we want to give citizenship to people who have already demonstrated a complete disregard for our most basic laws?
    The so called "line" is a joke when it comes to Mexicans and those further south. They are unwanted. It is all but impossible for a poor uneducated Mexican looking for work to get legal entrance into this country. For them, there really is no "line" to speak of.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, not only should they not be given any form of amnesty, they should be denied citizenship, perhaps permanently. At the very least, they should go straight to the back of the line. Why in the world would we want to give citizenship to people who have already demonstrated a complete disregard for our most basic laws?
    Hmmm...
    Revise the immigrations law so that anyone that was here illegaly can NEVER be a citzen.

    If the illegals were wrried about becoming citizens (and the liberals were't trying to extend them just about every right that citizend have), that might have some teeth.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    If she is married to a US citizen she is a legal citizen, she effectively beat the system. She is one of the issues that should be dealt with on a case by case basis but everyone else needs to go. As for the Federal Government, not doing its job, there has to be some sort of clause in the Constitution that says the states have the authority to enforce a power that the Federal Government has failed to do.
    No you're dead wrong. Since she has been living here illegally it's possible she may be sent back to Mexico and forbidden to apply for citizenship or even temporary entry to our country for 10 years - as punishment. Punishment for a decision her mother made for her.

    Marrying my brother DOES NOT automatically give her citizenship. It doesn't even automatically give her a pass to be in the US.

    As for "issues" that should be dealt with on a case by case basis my sister is not unique. Many of them have back stories that would make you think twice about telling them to "get." Many of them were brought over as young children and know next to nothing about Mexico - usually once they come here illegally they never go back for fear of not getting back in. So if you're brought here at age 2 it's unlikely you know anything at all of Mexico and it's highly illogical to deport such a person as an adult.

    There are very few cases that would be "easy" unless they are caught shortly after coming here.

    For most of them the families are entrenched in the US with many members born here.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Make them pay reparations? Aside from the fact that many Latin American illegal immigrants are Amerindian mestizos whose poor economic conditions have been inherited from a violent European invasion and colonization of America and the centuries of racial segregation and discrimination that were to follow, recent history has been marked by governmental establishment of trade liberalization and the expansion of U.S.-based agricultural companies into Mexico that has uprooted and displaced farmers and associated laborers into urban areas, and then into the U.S. itself due to the vastly inequitable wage differentials between the U.S. and Mexico.
    If you look into the history of the indigenous civilizations of Latin America, you'll see that they did quite a good job of repressing their own people before the arrival of the Spanish invaders.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If the illegals were wrried about becoming citizens (and the liberals were't trying to extend them just about every right that citizend have), that might have some teeth.
    Oh, I know they don't care. Even if we give them amnesty and citizenship, they don't become Americans, they remain Mexicans living in America. They just want all the free social services we give and the jobs that we used to have so they can send billions back home to Mexico every month. Take that away and you'd never have anyone crossing the border.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The so called "line" is a joke when it comes to Mexicans and those further south. They are unwanted. It is all but impossible for a poor uneducated Mexican looking for work to get legal entrance into this country. For them, there really is no "line" to speak of.
    While that is true to some degree, they sure do fill out the paperwork for amnesty when it's offered. I really don't see why we should want them or accept them if they do nothing for us. We are not the planet's welfare state, it's not our job to take everyone else's refuse.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    While that is true to some degree, they sure do fill out the paperwork for amnesty when it's offered. I really don't see why we should want them or accept them if they do nothing for us. We are not the planet's welfare state, it's not our job to take everyone else's refuse.
    Actually that is our tradition. Do you belong to the US? What exactly do you mean by everyone else's refuse? These are people. They're not garbage. If anything they're the pick yourself up by your bootstraps types. They're not some dumb tards who choose to just sit in squalor in a country that has zero to offer them. They risk it all for a better life rather than just sitting with their thumbs up their arse lamenting the fact that they were born somewhere sucky.

    I freaking admire them. I know if I was poor and lived in a land of zero opportunity and all I had to do was have the balls and the courage to get across a line drawn on a map and birth my kids on the other side of said line in order to change the destiny of generations of my bloodline to come I'd do it. I'd do it proudly.

    That is what you're up against.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Abolish all immigration controls and pay reparations to the families of those killed trying to cross the border, all those deported, assaulted, and harassed in the enforcement of insane laws based on the absurd notion that all people born here are chosen people of God, and all others (or perhaps merely all brown people not born in this country) are subhuman.
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