View Poll Results: Should illegal aliens get amnesty

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Thread: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    None of my relatives citizenship statuses ever made me contemplate throwing the rule of law out the window.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    None of my relatives citizenship statuses ever made me contemplate throwing the rule of law out the window.
    Well mine has. Especially when I discovered that even though my brother married this woman, signed papers promising to support her, sent documentation proving that he's held a great job for 5 + years, etc she may still be turned down. Even being his wife doesn't guarantee she can obtain legal status.

    That is so f-'d up beyond all reason and rationality that I'm completely over the whole notion of immigration and borders.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I voted for the first option. It's incredibly what a difference having one in your family makes on your whole outlook.
    You have an illegal alien in your family?

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well for starters we appear to be incapable of enforcing them.
    Now that is a separate issue.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Illegals aliens need to be kick out bar none. They came into this country illegally they broke the law. Alot of them refuse to learn any type of English and expect us to cater to them and they use our welfare system which is not entitled to them. All amnesty will do is deliver a slap in the face to legal immigrants, they need to go back to wear they came from and come in the legal way. No exceptions.
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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    In Mexico the top 30% of income earners account for 55% of income, while in the US the top 25% accounts for 67.15% of income. Why would Mexicans flee the relative workers paradise they have down there to enter in to a much more brutal, unfair Capitalist system here?
    That's a rather poor basis for comparison and one that fails to consider the aforementioned inequitable wage differentials between the U.S. and Mexico. To begin to understand the exacerbation of these problems by the expansion of trade liberalization, consult a source such as Portes's NAFTA and Mexican Immigration:

    More than ten years after the signing of the treaty, economic growth has been anemic in Mexico averaging less than 3.5 percent per year or less than 2 percent on a per capita basis since 2000; unemployment is higher than what it was when the treaty was signed; and half of the labor force must eke out a living in invented jobs in the informal economy, a figure ten percent higher than in the pre-NAFTA years. Meanwhile, jobs in the runaway maquiladora industry that left the United States to profit from free trade and cheap labor commonly pay close to the Mexican minimum wage of U.S. $7.00 per day, an amount so small in the now “open” Mexican market as to force people into informal jobs or across the border.

    For sure, there have been “winners” in the process: large transnational corporations profit from the abundant labor, slack regulation, and open borders (open, that is, for industrial goods and capital, not people). All kinds of trinkets are produced south of the border with few government controls and with wages one-seventh or less those on the north side. Meanwhile, Mexico City looks just like Los Angeles, only poorer and more garish, full of Toys R Us, Office Depots, and TGIFs selling goods that all can see, but that only the upper and middle-class – about one-tenth of the population – can afford.
    So, again, screeching about the necessity of rigid enforcement of authoritarian immigration restrictions and prohibitions is a mere red herring intended to divert attention from more relevant issues.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have an illegal alien in your family?
    Yes, I do. She's great. Her mother dragged her over the border when she was 15. Her family is all messed up. Half of them were born here - the other half illegal. Most of her immediate relatives have similar families as well her friends. It's crazy.

    Anyway, in my mind they couldn't have come here legally. They're giving her a ton of crap and it's been over a year now. She may be denied permission to be here despite being my brother's wife.

    They make legal immigration damn near impossible for most folks who would migrate up from the South. I can't support those types of policies/law.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    I'm so thrilled that chevydriver1123, DeeJayH, jamesrage, Kal'Stang, Kali, Oftencold, Redress, and The silenced majority have volunteered for a True Debate with me! Any other takers?

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Illegals aliens need to be kick out bar none. They came into this country illegally they broke the law. Alot of them refuse to learn any type of English and expect us to cater to them and they use our welfare system which is not entitled to them. All amnesty will do is deliver a slap in the face to legal immigrants, they need to go back to wear they came from and come in the legal way. No exceptions.
    Many of these illegals were brought here as kids.They don't know Mexico. They no longer have ties to Mexico. They were brought here illegally by their parents at a young age. They had no say in it.

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    Re: Illegal Aliens and Amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I'm so thrilled that chevydriver1123, DeeJayH, jamesrage, Kal'Stang, Kali, Oftencold, Redress, and The silenced majority have volunteered for a True Debate with me! Any other takers?
    Talking to you is like talking to a wall. it's annoying and unrewarding since you are not going to be heard. Why in the world would I volunteer to spend additional time doing something I find annoying?

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