View Poll Results: Which Libertarian Issues Do You Agree With

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  • Laissez Faire capitalism

    19 38.78%
  • End drug prohibition

    37 75.51%
  • avid interventionism in foreign policy

    17 34.69%
  • End foreign aid

    25 51.02%
  • End gun bans

    31 63.27%
  • Deregulate healthcare

    19 38.78%
  • Semi-amnesty for illegal aliens(work for amnesty)

    17 34.69%
  • End welfare

    20 40.82%
  • Allow opting out of Social Security

    28 57.14%
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Laissez Faire capitalism-

    A decentralized form of economic productivity is superior to centralized statism.
    I favor a decentralized economy as long as there is no corporate person hood.

    End drug prohibition-

    Yep, it serves no other purpose except to militarize law enforcement.

    Avoid interventionism in foreign policy-

    Agree completely with the caveat of defense and maybe taking down trade barriers for both us and the competing country.

    End foreign aid-

    A welfare class of nation states does us no good.
    It would be better if these nations citizens rise up and topple their inferior governments.

    End gun bans-

    I need the tools of tyrants so I can, if need be, commit the same intensity of violence that they would inflict upon me.

    Deregulate medical care-

    Regulated medical care has been the primary reason for cost inflation.

    Semi-amnesty for illegal aliens(work for amnesty)-

    I'm torn on this for several reasons.

    I would be in favor of full amnesty, if the people receiving it were not allowed to vote.
    With that not being the case, I favor a gradual integration after others, who have been waiting, are taken care of.
    That of course comes with the requirements of not being on any state or federal aid for at least the last 5 years, a restriction on the use of state aid for at least 5-10 years, no outstanding warrants or unpaid tickets, and other legal problems.

    If these people do not want to become citizens then they can see themselves out.

    End welfare-

    The cases where someone actually needs welfare are so few and far between that it doesn't necessitate it's existence.

    Allow opting out of Social Security-

    It should have never been created or made mandatory for people to participate in an inferior retirement plan such as SS.

    It's a naturally discriminatory program.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We are not going to see eye to eye on this, but I think we at least see where we draw the line. To me, the fact that they chose, willingly, to violate our laws means they should not be allowed to stay here as a citizen or on a work visa or whatever.
    You're trapped in a confused cycle of circular reasoning that doesn't lead you to examine the actual ethical basis behind immigration restrictions to begin with, instead choosing to point to the law without actual logical analysis of it. That would be a poor choice if one wanted to claim that civil rights era blacks' violation of Jim Crow laws was evidence of their criminality and justification for racially discriminatory legal policy against them, and it's a poor choice in this case also.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    For the illegal alien discussion, please go here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...s-amnesty.html

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    I need the tools of tyrants so I can, if need be, commit the same intensity of violence that they would inflict upon me.
    Thanks for your answers. Just one comment on the above quote: you cannot ever do that. The military will always have a dominant advantage in this area.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    I think it would be best to move beyond general discussion of specific topics and instead into discussion of specifically libertarian justifications for or against certain policy proposals. For example, instead of discussing the purely economic facets of firearm prohibition, someone could say that it conflicts with civil libertarian notions, and someone else could say that unrestricted firearm exchange can generate negative externalities that are authoritarian in nature, for example.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thanks for your answers. Just one comment on the above quote: you cannot ever do that. The military will always have a dominant advantage in this area.
    I'm not typically a militant fellow but improvised explosives and other such nastys can definitely shake a professional soldier to his core.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not typically a militant fellow but improvised explosives and other such nastys can definitely shake a professional soldier to his core.
    Absolutely, but concentrated fire, and fire support is not something you can even approach the military on.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thanks for your answers. Just one comment on the above quote: you cannot ever do that. The military will always have a dominant advantage in this area.
    The military has more raw force available, and more sophisticated means of deploying same, yes.

    However, the issue is far more complex than that, and not nearly cut-and-dried.

    The question of whether the military would support the government against the people, being one question...or how much of the military would be on which side. The PR issues involved in, say, bombing Kansas City with the Air Force would be a nightmare.

    Fourth-generation warfare, guerilla tactics and assassination being another set of complexities.

    The mere fact that tens of millions of citizens are armed, and may retailiate with lethal force if pushed too far, is in and of itself an instrument to make would-be tyrants hesitate.

    It is too deep of an issue to merely brush away with a one-line answer.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The military has more raw force available, and more sophisticated means of deploying same, yes.

    However, the issue is far more complex than that, and not nearly cut-and-dried.

    The question of whether the military would support the government against the people, being one question...or how much of the military would be on which side. The PR issues involved in, say, bombing Kansas City would be a nightmare.

    Fourth-generation warfare, guerilla tactics and assassination being another set of complexities.

    The mere fact that tens of millions of citizens are armed, and may retailiate with lethal force if pushed too far, is in and of itself an instrument to make would-be tyrants hesitate.

    It is too deep of an issue to merely brush away with a one-line answer.
    I don't think any one in government gives possible armed insurrection any real thought or concern. It is simply not a realistic threat in any realistic scenario in my lifetime.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think any one in government gives possible armed insurrection any real thought or concern. It is simply not a realistic threat in any realistic scenario in my lifetime.
    I don't agree.

    It (4GW armed insurrection) has already happened on a small scale.

    Waco -> OKC

    I practically guarantee you there are individuals in the government who do think about such things, and whether under certain circumstances, certain governmental actions might provoke hundreds of OKC's or other 4GW events.

    (Understand that I am in no wise endorsing McVeigh's actions, simply pointing out that he said OKC was in retaliation for Waco.)
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