View Poll Results: Which Libertarian Issues Do You Agree With

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  • Laissez Faire capitalism

    19 38.78%
  • End drug prohibition

    37 75.51%
  • avid interventionism in foreign policy

    17 34.69%
  • End foreign aid

    25 51.02%
  • End gun bans

    31 63.27%
  • Deregulate healthcare

    19 38.78%
  • Semi-amnesty for illegal aliens(work for amnesty)

    17 34.69%
  • End welfare

    20 40.82%
  • Allow opting out of Social Security

    28 57.14%
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Thread: Libertarian Issues

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

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    Heh like most people I vote in polls before I read the post.

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    Oh, and xenophobia is not required to oppose amnesty programs.
    No, but being xenophobic generally (with possible rare exceptions) precludes one from supporting them.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, but being xenophobic generally (with possible rare exceptions) precludes one from supporting them.
    Granted I guess. I just find it annoying since I am not xenophobic(I don't think), but am 100 % against any sort of amnesty.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Xenophobia, like racism toward mestizo immigrants, is of course not a necessary or ever-present element of opposition to amnesty, but is of course far more prevalent among opponents than among supporters. I've always been dubious of "libertarians" who strongly oppose the elimination of immigration restrictions; such opposition to the freedom of movement and escape from exploitative economic conditions has never struck me as particularly anti-authoritarian.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Xenophobia, like racism toward mestizo immigrants, is of course not a necessary or ever-present element of opposition to amnesty, but is of course far more prevalent among opponents than among supporters. I've always been dubious of "libertarians" who strongly oppose the elimination of immigration restrictions; such opposition to the freedom of movement and escape from exploitative economic conditions has never struck me as particularly anti-authoritarian.
    And many of them go beyond merely opposing amnesty. Many libertarians use the same xenophobic "our country is being invaded" rhetoric that authoritarian conservatives use.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And many of them go beyond merely opposing amnesty. Many libertarians use the same xenophobic "our country is being invaded" rhetoric that authoritarian conservatives use.
    Yeah, nationalism to the point of jingoism is never an element that's struck me as something particularly "libertarian" either...perhaps simply more evidence that the movers and shakers behind the LP are largely composed of rightists who've relocated and hidden behind a new front.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Yeah, nationalism to the point of jingoism is never an element that's struck me as something particularly "libertarian" either...perhaps simply more evidence that the movers and shakers behind the LP are largely composed of rightists who've relocated and hidden behind a new front.
    That does not make sense since the LP favors semi-amnesty. Or maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Voted for all but the illegal amnesty one. As long as there exists benefits to be derived for illegals that require the government to confiscate thru tax or other means, we cannot allow people who have no stake in this country or for the people of this country to stay. When there is no automatic benefit for coming here and I assume that the immigrants enter by the gate then of course there is nothing for an amnesty to be declared. In other words lets liberalize the quotas and means for the immigrant workers to come in and not give millions of illegals a legal pass to be permanent residents who have no loyalty to our country and may even have inimical effect on our nation.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And many of them go beyond merely opposing amnesty. Many libertarians use the same xenophobic "our country is being invaded" rhetoric that authoritarian conservatives use.

    Look, Kan, I got nothing against Mexicans. They have great food, pretty decent music, and some pretty hot chicks too.

    I have nothing against any immigrant to comes here legally.

    But what do you call it when you have millions upon millions of illegals entering the country, refusing to learn the common language or assimilate into the culture, and in some cases at least actually advocating that they should take over portions of the nation?

    Google "reconquista", "Aztlan" and "La Raza".
    Ask some medical professionals about the problems they have with illegals recieving treatment then disappearing without paying a cent.
    Ask some cops about how many drunk-driving fatalities or no-insurance-accidents turn out to involve illegals.

    It is a problem that needs to be addressed, xenophobia is not required.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    "Mexicans" are not a race. Your other claims are based on observably inaccurate rightist talking points, I'm afraid. So no, we have to come back to the initial issue of xenophobic and racist attitudes toward mestizos being more common among anti-immigration lobbies than pro-immigration lobbies, along with the authoritarian mindset typically associated with those attitudes.

    It is, as mentioned, a problem that needs to be addressed.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Laissez Faire capitalism

    I don't believe in the complete absence of regulation. The Commerce Clause in the US Constitution permits the Federal government to regulate interstate commerce, so that's fine with me, also, I believe in the enforcement of fraud laws and contracts. Other than that, I don't really agree with the idea of economic regulation and central management.

    End drug prohibition

    Absolutely, although I think it should be done incrementally and carefully while allowing localities to determine the regulatory nature of the manufacture and sale of drugs within their respective communities.

    avoid interventionism in foreign policy

    I'm not adverse to alliances like Jefferson was but I agree with his notion of free trade and commerce.

    I wouldn't necessarily leave the UN or NATO but I would always affirm the supremacy of US sovereignty over the laws of international bodies.

    I don't feel any obligation to intervene in the affairs of other countries unless it is in our best interests or necessary to world security.

    Pragmatic, peaceful, diplomatic, and commercial. That describes my foreign policy views.

    End foreign aid

    Absolutely. The government has no place sending tax money to other countries.

    End gun bans

    Yup.

    Deregulate healthcare

    Yup, although I'm not adverse to providing health care to the truly needy.

    Semi-amnesty for illegal aliens(work for amnesty)

    No. Enter this country legally and culturally assimilate yourself or leave.

    End welfare

    Incrementally, although I would leave transitional / temporary assistance programs in place.

    Allow opting out of Social Security

    It's a Ponzi Scheme, so yes.

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