View Poll Results: Which Libertarian Issues Do You Agree With

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  • Laissez Faire capitalism

    19 38.78%
  • End drug prohibition

    37 75.51%
  • avid interventionism in foreign policy

    17 34.69%
  • End foreign aid

    25 51.02%
  • End gun bans

    31 63.27%
  • Deregulate healthcare

    19 38.78%
  • Semi-amnesty for illegal aliens(work for amnesty)

    17 34.69%
  • End welfare

    20 40.82%
  • Allow opting out of Social Security

    28 57.14%
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, you got the jist of it. I think the reason most libertarians are reticent to associate with Libertarians not because of their policy views but because of their extreme rhetoric. They aren't pragmatic or realistic. They seem like a childish political party to me. Not to mention the fact that most libertarians deny the concept of party loyalty.
    Could I get you when you have time to expand on this please.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Could I get you when you have time to expand on this please.
    Sure. I suppose I have time now...

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's probably true; most formal LP party groups tend to go overboard emphasizing the wrong things -- drug legalization, open borders -- things that most mainstream people can't/don't get behind.

    If they spent most of their time in the areas where people in general CAN relate, they'd have much more traction.
    I'd take that a step further. They emphasize dramatic changes that would be their version of utopia, and it turns away people who agree with a more moderated approach. For example ...

    Many people support medical marijuana, very few support legalizing heroin, cocaine, and meth.

    Many people support deregulation and free market solutions, very few support striking down anti-trust laws, safety standards and inspections, anti-child labor laws, and such.

    The LP focuses on their ultimate goal, which is way outside of where the current debates are centered. They should be focused on winning current debates by proposing realistic libertarian based solutions and changing things in digestable incremental steps. I just shake my heads when I see libertarians say things like they'd half the federal government if they are elected. That's too big of a change for the average voter to even comprehend, let alone support. Libertarians would get a lot more traction on that sort of issue if they said they'd cut government waste, pork spending, and reform entitlements to make them more cost effective and eliminate people from abusing the system.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    You shouldn't make the automatic leap from (small-l) libertarianism, which is a very broad philosophy, to the (big-L) Libertarian Party. More libertarians vote for "the lesser of two evils", whatever that may be, and the vast majority of libertarians don't vote at all.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I'd take that a step further. They emphasize dramatic changes that would be their version of utopia, and it turns away people who agree with a more moderated approach. For example ...

    Many people support medical marijuana, very few support legalizing heroin, cocaine, and meth.

    Many people support deregulation and free market solutions, very few support striking down anti-trust laws, safety standards and inspections, anti-child labor laws, and such.

    The LP focuses on their ultimate goal, which is way outside of where the current debates are centered. They should be focused on winning current debates by proposing realistic libertarian based solutions and changing things in digestable incremental steps. I just shake my heads when I see libertarians say things like they'd half the federal government if they are elected. That's too big of a change for the average voter to even comprehend, let alone support. Libertarians would get a lot more traction on that sort of issue if they said they'd cut government waste, pork spending, and reform entitlements to make them more cost effective and eliminate people from abusing the system.

    I've heard it said that the Libertarian Party was originally founded without the intent of being a serious "in it to win it" political party, but rather as a vehicle to get libertarian ideas out into the mainstream of political thought.

    They've been somewhat successful with the latter...

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A reminder: please do not vote in this poll if you are not a libertarian...Joe, I am looking at you right now...

    Oh, and third poll option, the first word should be "avoid", not "avid"...
    Well crap, I voted first. Sorry. I'm more of a Monarchist than a Libertarian.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    End The Drug War Now

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I pulled a list of issues that the Libertarian party calls for on it's website(Issues | Libertarian Party). I here alot about big "L" vs little "l" Libertarians, so which of these issues do the libertarians here believe in.

    If you are not a Libertarian, can you please not answer this poll. let's leave it to the Libertarians please.

    Edit: Poll added
    Well I call myself a libertarian even if I'm not the American style kind. Of those the only I unambiguously for is ending gun bans and non-interventionism.

    I'm for a relatively state-free, decentralised economy but laissez faire capitalism is a vague term and I'm very much anti-corporate-capitalism and pro-distributism(as in Catholic social teaching and not redistribution.). I'm also for a much less harsh way of handling drugs but not for ending all prohibition and I'm for lowering welfare but ending corporate welfare is most important to me and I'd lower welfare as part of a revival of local community, family and other intermediate associations.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Redress doesn't care what socialist "libertarians" think. He's interested in American libertarianism.
    Socialist doctrines were integral to the development of American propertarianism, as hijacking of those legitimately libertarian principles granted propertarians some measure of ethical legitimacy. Run along to Wikipedia and read the "Benjamin Tucker" article.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues

    As a libertarian, I believe in all except two, one is ambiguous in nature, the interventionist one, as I am not an interventionist unless needed. I believe recently was needed.

    I am against open borders.
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