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Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

should a bus driver be allowed to kick crying babies and their caregivers off the bus

  • Yes. It's distracting to him and irritating to others

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • In some circumstances I suppose

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • No, children cry sometimes, they have a right to ride the bus

    Votes: 27 50.0%

  • I hate kids and they shouldn't be allowed in public

    Votes: 4 7.4%
  • Total voters
    54
talloulou said:
Should she get off and stand on the corner for an hour - hoping the kid shuts the hell up so they can get back on another bus???
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Or *gasp* get control over her kid.

talloulou said:
What if she's taking the kid to the dr?
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Since her child was posing a safety compromise, where she's going is irrelevant.

talloulou said:
What if the kid is screaming cause it has an ear infection and she doesn't have a car?
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Ambulance drivers are trained and acclimated to driving with screaming people in the back ;)

talloulou said:
I think, as adults, we can handle some lady's kid crying on the bus or the plane without pitching a little tantrum ourselves. Grow the f up people.
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As adults, we can control our children or, as adults, show others common decency and respect to stay off the bus while the child is a safety risk.
 
Taking an ambulance for an ear infection is a gross misuse of public funds. :rolleyes:
 
Laila said:
Who said "just make" a toddler do anything?

I said the driver reserves the right to remove those he deems distracting.
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It's the driver's discretion according to the driver's judgment just as infractions are a mod's judgment call, sending someone home for an improper attitude is a boss's judgment call or asking someone to leave your property is a judgment call.

The driver has the "I'm the boss" card here and as such is beyond reproach.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Taking an ambulance for an ear infection is a gross misuse of public funds. :rolleyes:
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One ambulance trip -vs- many ambulance trips should the buss crash because the child was distracting the driver (a crime, I might add).

I'll go with "buy a damn car" for 400.
 
Jerry said:
One ambulance trip -vs- many ambulance trips should the buss crash because the child was distracting the driver (a crime, I might add).

I'll go with "buy a damn car" for 400.
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And if she can't afford a car?
 
seems like she can

Manzer, a journalist, called the experience "dangerous, upsetting and humiliating."

She and partner David Leach, a professor at the University of Victoria, do not own a car and usually transport Briar and her brother AJ by bike and bus. Now, because of this experience, they're now wondering whether they should buy a vehicle.
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As a mother that currently has a 21 month old son, I can definitely sympathize. The driver was wrong for throwing the woman off the bus if she was trying to calm down the child. Unfortunately, tantrums happen. And at 20 months, they can happen anywhere. Ask any pediatrician or child psychologist. Go to any parenting website or magazine. And parents cannot always predict when they'll happen either. Toddlers still have a hard time expressing themselves. I know my son's speaking vocabulary is about 50 words right now, and that's if you add in the words that kinda sound like words that make sense. Now, I know he understands a lot more than those 50 or so words, but I would not expect him at this age to understand if I told him he had to be quiet because he was distracting the driver or that it was against the rules. And discipline is just starting to take effect at this age.
 
roguenuke said:
as a mother that currently has a 21 month old son, i can definitely sympathize. The driver was wrong for throwing the woman off the bus if she was trying to calm down the child. Unfortunately, tantrums happen. And at 20 months, they can happen anywhere. Ask any pediatrician or child psychologist. Go to any parenting website or magazine. And parents cannot always predict when they'll happen either. Toddlers still have a hard time expressing themselves. I know my son's speaking vocabulary is about 50 words right now, and that's if you add in the words that kinda sound like words that make sense. Now, i know he understands a lot more than those 50 or so words, but i would not expect him at this age to understand if i told him he had to be quiet because he was distracting the driver or that it was against the rules. And discipline is just starting to take effect at this age.
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Jerry said:
It's the driver's discretion according to the driver's judgment just as infractions are a mod's judgment call, sending someone home for an improper attitude is a boss's judgment call or asking someone to leave your property is a judgment call.

The driver has the "I'm the boss" card here and as such is beyond reproach.
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Clearly he is NOT beyond reproach as his employer disagrees with his actions and has placed him under close observation due to this incident.

"I'm the boss" only flies until you run afoul of your OWN boss.
 
Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?
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It would depend on where he kicked her.

In the buttocks would be okay, as long as she didn't fall on the child.

In the leg would be acceptible as long as no bones were broken or joints dislocated.

In the gut, chest or face would be Right Out, as our old friends across the Big Pond say. Unless maybe she was being rude.


Oh, you didn't mean literally kick then? Well shucks....:3oops:
 
theangryamerican said:
Clearly he is NOT beyond reproach as his employer disagrees with his actions and has placed him under close observation due to this incident.

"I'm the boss" only flies until you run afoul of your OWN boss.
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Yeah I knew someone was going to insert this obvious and irrelevant fact into the situation as it unfolded.

"Supervision" = "oh **** we might get sued" not "oh **** kicking her off the buss was the wrong call".
 
Jerry said:
Yeah I knew someone was going to insert this obvious and irrelevant fact into the situation as it unfolded.

"Supervision" = "oh **** we might get sued" not "oh **** kicking her off the buss was the wrong call".
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...cuz people often get sued for doing something that is socially right and legally defensible, correct?

What the bus driver did was neither, and his employer's response is an admission of that fact.
 
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theangryamerican said:
...cuz people often get sued for doing something that is socially right and legally defensible, correct?

What the bus driver did was neither, and his employer's response is an admission of that fact.
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The employer's response is proof that the driver did not do anything apperanlty illegal nor against company policy; otherwise the driver would have been disciplined or terminated.

Being monitored is not discipline, it's the company doing something to dress up appearances in preparation to stand before a judge.

If you can't control your kid, stay off the bus.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
My kid will be. I can not teach others kids the same, sadly, however the fact that this woman may be raising a savage, does not excuse me acting like one.
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It isn't really savage, if people cannot discipline their children then they should not expect to be tolerated. If you generally told parents with misbehaving toddlers to make them behave then you'd be more likely to have generally well-behaved children in these situations no doubt. But today we seem to have almost the opposite ethos. I've seen staff and other patrons been responded to angrily when it is suggested that a patron's children not run around a restaurant.
 
talloulou said:
No.The last thing some aggravated woman with screaming child in tow needs is to get kicked off public transportation. Toddlers pitch a fit all the time. If you happen to be in earshot too bad.
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Thats why you smack the kid to get them to shut up. My dad did it to me when I was younger and make a scene in the store, most parents I have come across dont believe in whacking the brat.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Thats why you smack the kid to get them to shut up. My dad did it to me when I was younger and make a scene in the store, most parents I have come across dont believe in whacking the brat.
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:doh Good way to make the kid scream more!
 
mae said:
:doh Good way to make the kid scream more!
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My experience as a father of 2 is contrary, but whatever.

Kick her off the bus and file a civil suit in reaction to any legal measure she takes, endless motions of continuances and paperwork to bury her in her own legal fees.
 
Baralis said:
I selected "In some circumstances I suppose". If a child or anyone for that matter is being very disruptive a bus driver should have the ability to kick them off. I would reserve this for only extreme circumstances tho.
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I voted the same. To me, the following circumstances would warrant a kicking off of the mother and child:

(1) Child is running around the bus and endangering him/herself or doing something that is physically impacting the driver (trying to grab the wheel or step on the gas). No question--kick that kid and mother off the bus.

(2) Child is throwing up all over the place. OFF.

(3) Child is sneezing openly on other people. Sorry, but with Swine Flu--you're outta there, bud.

Those are the type of circumstances that I think a child w/ the parent can be kicked off. The circumstances in this case? NO WAY.

I hate it when parents don't control their kids as well. I would rather leave a place if my child was out of control and would inconvenience myself to avoid the disruption.
 
Laila said:
Seconded.

I hate going on public transport and having children running up and down the carriage, screaming, hanging off bars and making the journey horrible for the rest of us.

Control your child or get off the damn bus.
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I agree. I take my son on the Metro every Friday (Today!), and it give me an opportunity to teach him how he should behave. I would never ever let him run around, hang on bars, take up 2 seats, etc. So far, he is a great little train rider. ;)

My point is that parents should use taking their child on public transportation as a way to teach them about manners in these situations (don't use outside voice, don't run around, etc.).
 
aps said:
(3) Child is sneezing openly on other people. Sorry, but with Swine Flu--you're outta there, bud.
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I knew whose fault it was! :mad:

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Wessexman said:
It isn't really savage, if people cannot discipline their children then they should not expect to be tolerated.
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This has very little to do with discipline. Kids can and will throw tantrums or fits at any given time, regardless of their parents' disciplinary skills. That's part of being a kid, lacking the intelligence to understand what is and is not socially acceptable.
 
EgoffTib said:
This has very little to do with discipline. Kids can and will throw tantrums or fits at any given time, regardless of their parents' disciplinary skills. That's part of being a kid, lacking the intelligence to understand what is and is not socially acceptable.
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See, this is where beating that ass really shines.

When kids are too young to reason with, too young to have an intelligent conversation, they still understand they committed a faux-pas when you beat that ass.

When they're old enough to reason with, the need to beat that ass declines, because you can now explain to them that certain behaviors will result in you beating that ass and they have internalized the concept of cause and effect, making a true intellectual leap.

If you beat that ass enough when they are young, then by the time they are big enough to beat your ass, they will be sufficiently conditioned to obedience that you remain in control. :mrgreen: :lamo
 
EgoffTib said:
This has very little to do with discipline. Kids can and will throw tantrums or fits at any given time, regardless of their parents' disciplinary skills. That's part of being a kid, lacking the intelligence to understand what is and is not socially acceptable.
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It depends on their age. If you discipline them well and they are old enough to walk and talk then they are far less likely to do this. My father for instance has told me his parents would never have allowed him to act in ways children do today. It about different ways of looking at parenting.
 
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