View Poll Results: should a bus driver be allowed to kick crying babies and their caregivers off the bus

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  • Yes. It's distracting to him and irritating to others

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  • In some circumstances I suppose

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  • I'm not sure

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  • No, children cry sometimes, they have a right to ride the bus

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Thread: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    seems like she can

    Manzer, a journalist, called the experience "dangerous, upsetting and humiliating."

    She and partner David Leach, a professor at the University of Victoria, do not own a car and usually transport Briar and her brother AJ by bike and bus. Now, because of this experience, they're now wondering whether they should buy a vehicle.

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    As a mother that currently has a 21 month old son, I can definitely sympathize. The driver was wrong for throwing the woman off the bus if she was trying to calm down the child. Unfortunately, tantrums happen. And at 20 months, they can happen anywhere. Ask any pediatrician or child psychologist. Go to any parenting website or magazine. And parents cannot always predict when they'll happen either. Toddlers still have a hard time expressing themselves. I know my son's speaking vocabulary is about 50 words right now, and that's if you add in the words that kinda sound like words that make sense. Now, I know he understands a lot more than those 50 or so words, but I would not expect him at this age to understand if I told him he had to be quiet because he was distracting the driver or that it was against the rules. And discipline is just starting to take effect at this age.
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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    as a mother that currently has a 21 month old son, i can definitely sympathize. The driver was wrong for throwing the woman off the bus if she was trying to calm down the child. Unfortunately, tantrums happen. And at 20 months, they can happen anywhere. Ask any pediatrician or child psychologist. Go to any parenting website or magazine. And parents cannot always predict when they'll happen either. Toddlers still have a hard time expressing themselves. I know my son's speaking vocabulary is about 50 words right now, and that's if you add in the words that kinda sound like words that make sense. Now, i know he understands a lot more than those 50 or so words, but i would not expect him at this age to understand if i told him he had to be quiet because he was distracting the driver or that it was against the rules. And discipline is just starting to take effect at this age.



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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's the driver's discretion according to the driver's judgment just as infractions are a mod's judgment call, sending someone home for an improper attitude is a boss's judgment call or asking someone to leave your property is a judgment call.

    The driver has the "I'm the boss" card here and as such is beyond reproach.
    Clearly he is NOT beyond reproach as his employer disagrees with his actions and has placed him under close observation due to this incident.

    "I'm the boss" only flies until you run afoul of your OWN boss.
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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?
    It would depend on where he kicked her.

    In the buttocks would be okay, as long as she didn't fall on the child.

    In the leg would be acceptible as long as no bones were broken or joints dislocated.

    In the gut, chest or face would be Right Out, as our old friends across the Big Pond say. Unless maybe she was being rude.


    Oh, you didn't mean literally kick then? Well shucks....

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Clearly he is NOT beyond reproach as his employer disagrees with his actions and has placed him under close observation due to this incident.

    "I'm the boss" only flies until you run afoul of your OWN boss.
    Yeah I knew someone was going to insert this obvious and irrelevant fact into the situation as it unfolded.

    "Supervision" = "oh **** we might get sued" not "oh **** kicking her off the buss was the wrong call".

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah I knew someone was going to insert this obvious and irrelevant fact into the situation as it unfolded.

    "Supervision" = "oh **** we might get sued" not "oh **** kicking her off the buss was the wrong call".
    ...cuz people often get sued for doing something that is socially right and legally defensible, correct?

    What the bus driver did was neither, and his employer's response is an admission of that fact.
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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    ...cuz people often get sued for doing something that is socially right and legally defensible, correct?

    What the bus driver did was neither, and his employer's response is an admission of that fact.
    The employer's response is proof that the driver did not do anything apperanlty illegal nor against company policy; otherwise the driver would have been disciplined or terminated.

    Being monitored is not discipline, it's the company doing something to dress up appearances in preparation to stand before a judge.

    If you can't control your kid, stay off the bus.

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    I think the use of a dingo is a fine addition to Australian parenting skills.
    Almost makes up for Rolf Harris doesn't it?
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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    My kid will be. I can not teach others kids the same, sadly, however the fact that this woman may be raising a savage, does not excuse me acting like one.
    It isn't really savage, if people cannot discipline their children then they should not expect to be tolerated. If you generally told parents with misbehaving toddlers to make them behave then you'd be more likely to have generally well-behaved children in these situations no doubt. But today we seem to have almost the opposite ethos. I've seen staff and other patrons been responded to angrily when it is suggested that a patron's children not run around a restaurant.
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