View Poll Results: should a bus driver be allowed to kick crying babies and their caregivers off the bus

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Thread: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    If they got where they are going, they got what they paid for.
    That's not all they paid for, no.

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    I don't remember any bus company ever guaranteeing me a peaceful, quiet ride in relaxation to my destination.
    Me either, who was talking about such a thing?

    To think there are only 2 options: screaming children or total quiet, with no middle or moderate ground.

    Yours is a strange little world view.

    Yes when one buys a ride they are buying a ride absent excessive noise, especially excessive noises which are distracting the driver.

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by 75Greeno View Post
    you were a good parent but how many are left
    Interesting, and even better if you could trouble yourself to use proper punctuation, Greeno.
    Parenting is not that hard, it does take maturity, of course.
    In truth, I'm willing to say that each generation of parents is an improvement, thanks to better education, better communications, and the Internet.
    And, we must always work on tolerance and respect.

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    I think this whole story is symptomatic of the Anglo/Saxon based cultural hostility toward children. This would never have happened in Mexico or some other culture that more cherishes children.

    That's why Europe and N. America are being overrun with people from other cultures. The newcomers, such as those from Mexico, are family oriented and always welcome children into any situation, and don't mind having children even if they haven't met all the artificial middle class criteria that our uptight culture demands. They are role models IMO.

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I think this whole story is symptomatic of the Anglo/Saxon based cultural hostility toward children. This would never have happened in Mexico or some other culture that more cherishes children.

    That's why Europe and N. America are being overrun with people from other cultures. The newcomers, such as those from Mexico, are family oriented and always welcome children into any situation, and don't mind having children even if they haven't met all the artificial middle class criteria that our uptight culture demands. They are role models IMO.
    I don't see how hostility to children in our culture. I see some hostility to badly behaved children, yeah, but I think we as a culture tolerate far too much bad behaviour from children. Parents have a responsibility to control their children when they're out in public, and if they can't do that, their children obviously aren't fit too be in public yet. Bad behavior is not "cuter" or any less annoying when the person causing a scene is young. It's still bloody irritating.
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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    This little toddler was only 20 months old, a mere baby. I agree with you that older children have bad manners in modern society. My point is that cultures such as the Mexican culture, are much more tolerant of babies and young children, and much more cherish them, than our uptight Northern European based cultures do.

    I see many Mexican families in my line of work. They are tight-knit and enjoy one anothers company immensely. They cherish their babies and consider it normal to have them around acting their age.

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I don't see how hostility to children in our culture. I see some hostility to badly behaved children, yeah, but I think we as a culture tolerate far too much bad behaviour from children. Parents have a responsibility to control their children when they're out in public, and if they can't do that, their children obviously aren't fit too be in public yet. Bad behavior is not "cuter" or any less annoying when the person causing a scene is young. It's still bloody irritating.
    It's reasonable to expect a mother would leave a restaurant, a movie theater, a store if their toddler is pitching a fit.

    But if she's heading home, it's late at night, the bus schedule isn't predictable, etc it's wholly unreasonable to expect her to just up and get off the bus so her kid can finish his or her tantrum on the street corner. Most parents of toddlers have dealt with tantrums - some more than others. Even the best parent does not make it through those years without some screaming and crying. Around here the bus comes once an hour to most places. Let's say a mother is about 15 minutes from home and her kid is screaming bloody hell on the bus. Should she get off and stand on the corner for an hour - hoping the kid shuts the hell up so they can get back on another bus???

    What if she's taking the kid to the dr? What if the kid is screaming cause it has an ear infection and she doesn't have a car?

    I think, as adults, we can handle some lady's kid crying on the bus or the plane without pitching a little tantrum ourselves. Grow the f up people.
    Last edited by talloulou; 10-01-09 at 12:49 PM.

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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It's reasonable to expect a mother would leave a restaurant, a movie theater, a store if their toddler is pitching a fit.

    But if she's heading home, it's late at night, the bus schedule isn't predictable, etc it's wholly unreasonable to expect her to just up and get off the bus so her kid can finish his or her tantrum on the street corner. Most parents of toddlers have dealt with tantrums - some more than others. Even the best parent does not make it through those years without some screaming and crying. Around here the bus comes once an hour to most places. Let's say a mother is about 15 minutes from home and her kid is screaming bloody hell on the bus. Should she get off and stand on the corner for an hour - hoping the kid shuts the hell up so they can get back on another bus???

    What if she's taking the kid to the dr? What if the kid is screaming cause it has an ear infection and she doesn't have a car?

    I think, as adults, we can handle some lady's kid crying on the bus or the plane without pitching a little tantrum ourselves. Grow the f up people.
    I don't think we should have to, to be perfectly honest. I think if the child's screaming was legitamitly distracting the driver, he had every right to ask them to leave. Crying, sure, children cry, but if you cause a disruption in a public place, you should not be allowed to remain in said space. Age is no excuse for poor behaviour in said poor behaviour will prevent someone else from carrying out their job.
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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    i voted YES kick the bitch to the curb

    i don't see Asian kids throwing fits - they understand discipline

    if you don't know how to raise kids then you better know how to drive a car.

    kids are like dogs. their parents/owners think everybody should love them.

    i am sorry but i don't love your dog and i don't love your kids. if you feel like traveling with your dog - BUY A CAR - and the same for your retarded kids.
    Trust me, I work in a toy store. Asian kids definitely throw fits.
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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I don't think we should have to, to be perfectly honest. I think if the child's screaming was legitamitly distracting the driver, he had every right to ask them to leave. Crying, sure, children cry, but if you cause a disruption in a public place, you should not be allowed to remain in said space. Age is no excuse for poor behaviour in said poor behaviour will prevent someone else from carrying out their job.
    Then again, the lady paid the bus fare, she in effect bought the right to ride the bus. This right was not conditional, as far as I know, on the child staying quiet.

    My other thought is, if all you're worried about is a loud baby, you have it pretty easy. There's been times on my commute home when I wonder if I'm going to get mugged.
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    Re: Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

    20 months is not a squalling newborn. the kid can walk and talk, there is no excuse.

    the woman tolerates tantrums from her toddler, and has to accept the consequences of this.

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