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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Yes, however, Facists often directed how people were to use their "private" property and had much more control over the economy than a non toltatlitarian country.
    That's incorrect. As noted in Buchheim and Scherner's The role of private property in the Nazi economy: the case of industry:

    Private property in the industry of the Third Reich is often considered a mere nominal provision without much substance. However, that is not correct, because firms, despite the rationing and licensing activities of the state, still had ample scope to devise their own production and investment profiles. Even regarding war-related projects, freedom of contract was generally respected; instead of using power, the state offered firms a number of contract options to choose from. There were several motives behind this attitude of the regime, among them the conviction that private property provided important incentives for increasing efficiency.
    I understand the temptation of screeching "National Socialists!" but the historical reality of their economic arrangement is substantially different.

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    I said that they allowed limited Autonomy. Even the USSR allowed for a very limited market. This is also to say that perhaps Hitler was more moderate with his ecnomic policies than Stalin or Pol Pot . Facism is domination by the state. Communism is domination by the "people."

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I said that they allowed limited Autonomy.
    You did. And that was proven wrong by "freedom of contract was generally respected; instead of using power, the state offered firms a number of contract options to choose from." Try reading my last post again.

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    The government had huge involvement in the economy as shown by his Great Resynchronization. I never said that there was no private market. Read my past post about Hitler's reletive moderation compared to Stalin and Pol Pot

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badfish420 View Post
    Fascist or Communist?
    I could manipulate the system and have a better life under Fascism than Communism, so if I had to choose, I would choose Fascism.

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    The government had huge involvement in the economy as shown by his Great Resynchronization. I never said that there was no private market.
    No one claimed you did. What you did imply was that the private market that existed was largely directed by state forces, which is incorrect. The regulatory structure and management that was in place existed alongside the private ownership of the means of production, rendering Nazi Germany a capitalist country not greatly distinct from existing capitalist economies today.

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    No one claimed you did. What you did imply was that the private market that existed was largely directed by state forces, which is incorrect. The regulatory structure and management that was in place existed alongside the private ownership of the means of production, rendering Nazi Germany a capitalist country not greatly distinct from existing capitalist economies today.
    I've stated Hitler's reletive moderation several times.

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    If I was forced to choose, communism, at least the Anarchist varity in Spain and Ukraine. I'd rather live in Hitler's Germany than Stalin's USSR or Pol Pot's Cambodia.

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I've stated Hitler's reletive moderation several times.
    Which is nothing but a rhetorical mechanism, as we've seen you say "Facists [sic] often directed how people were to use their 'private' property," which is observably false.

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    Re: Which Totalitarian regime would you rather have?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Who were the "good guys" in Enemy at the Gates? The Stalinists or the Nazis?
    The bullets.

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