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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    You don't see chopping off body parts as doing any harm?
    I wouldn't do it to myself if that's what you are asking. But then I'm quite satisfied with my body. So much so that I have no need to get any type of piercing or tattoo or anything else. Though I may get lasik surgery eventually. But only because in the long run it is cheaper than buying glasses every 2 years.

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    Go to your doctor and tell her you want her to help you lose weight by having your left arm removed. See what she says.
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    Voluntary amputees exist. I see no problem with doctors performing these operations. All of these people seem much happier once they have these operations performed.

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Perhaps you are right. As I have said, I don't think the government should be involved at all. The doctor certainly is involved though, and I think his/her responsibility is to "first, do no harm" as it were, and not to do whatever the patient will pay for.

    I just think if someone goes up to a doctor and says "Hey, I will pay you $2000 to chop of my penis" if the doctor says "Sure thing! Let me go get meat cleaver!" that makes them a bit of a scumbag, and doesn't really demonstrate a genuine concern for their patient.
    The kind of doctor that performs such operations is not the kind that you would see in a normal hospital saving lives in the ER. These types of doctors are specialists that are only in the profession to make money. Not save lives.
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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    "It has nothing to do with the mind." - Dr_Patrick

    According to this article, the APA still list transgenderism as a mental disorder in the DSM.
    So is depression, and yet it has a physical treatment.

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    A mental sickness is any disorder that interferes with a person's ability to normally function in society. If a sex change, which can't be done willy nilly as said before, is the only "cure" than so be it. It's not my life. It's there's It should be treated as such

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    I wouldn't do it to myself if that's what you are asking. But then I'm quite satisfied with my body. So much so that I have no need to get any type of piercing or tattoo or anything else. Though I may get lasik surgery eventually. But only because in the long run it is cheaper than buying glasses every 2 years.
    I wasn't asking if you would have it done to yourself. I was asking if you would chop your friends dick off if he asked you (or paid you) to. If your friend is unhappy having a dick, and he says he will give you $50 bucks to chop it off, is there any reason not to take his money and make him a happy man?

    I think EgoffTib answered the next part of your post for you. Thanks EgoffTib.
    I can only hope that the doctors willing to do that are as rare as the people wishing to have it done.

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    The kind of doctor that performs such operations is not the kind that you would see in a normal hospital saving lives in the ER. These types of doctors are specialists that are only in the profession to make money. Not save lives.
    Sure. I get that. And I never even hinted at a suggestion that it should be illegal for them to do so.

    The question of whether it was moral to do so arose in the thread however, so I am compelled to place such doctors in the ranks of loan sharks, politicians, gold digging tarts, televangelists, lawyers, and other unsavoury types that get their money in despicable and unscrupulous ways.

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    This argument is akin to the whole "If we allow gay marriage, then we will have to allow people to marry dogs, cats, etc." And how exactly are you qualified to give an assessment as to whether or not these people are mentally ill?
    So you admit that the limit for you is just allowing people to go to corrupt doctors so they can pretend to be a gender they are not? If you allow someone to go to a corrupt doctor to modify some body parts or add implants so that person can pretend to be a gender they are not then why not let someone go to a doctor so they can pretend to be a species they are not? Both are either absurd or neither are absurd. A man who thinks he is a woman trapped in a man's body is no different and is just as insane as a person who thinks they are a tiger,duck or cat trapped in man's body.

    Little Timmy can wear fake dog ears, a fake fur coat and a tail and have everyone in his school call him spot until he is old enough to get to get some surgeries to modify his body parts and add implants to make it more physical. WHy should that be any more or less ridiculous than allowing little Nicholas to go to school wearing a dress and having everyone call him Nicole until he is old enough to get some surgeries(yes this is actually happening in real life)?
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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I agree that the government shouldn't be involved, and I don't even have any issue with the morality of wanting or asking for a sex change. I am not sure where I stand regarding the moral obligations of the doctors though.

    If you were a doctor, would you perform any operation a patient asked for, including amputation, even if it wasn't medically necessary? If not, what would you think of a fellow doctor who cut off a patient's arm just because she asked to have it removed and could afford the operation?
    In the case of amputation, you are losing the functionality of your limb.

    In the case of a sex change, nothing is actually being "cut off." Existing tissue is being restructured so it's a hole instead of a pole (or in rare cases, vice versa). No functionality is lost; the patient is still able to urinate and have sex. They won't ever be able to reproduce, but lots of people get surgery to eliminate that functionality anyway.
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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you allow someone to go to a corrupt doctor to modify some body parts or add implants so that person can pretend to be a gender they are not then why not let someone go to a doctor so they can pretend to be a species they are not?
    What about boob implants. BTW men get them too.

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Something that seems to be overlooked here in all this talk of "its a mental disorder" is the fact that something like 1 in every 2000 people are born intersexed (which is entirely physical) and then need to either live their life in a between sexed limbo, or have had a sex arbitrarily assigned to them, many times involving surgical manipulation to assign them a "proper" gender.

    Those who seek out sex changes and those who feel they are "in the body of the wrong sex" are quite few and far between, the thing that would be interesting to know is of these people how many of those were actually among the 1 in 2000 that were born with some form of intrasexed condition in the first place.

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