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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Yes there is, it looks great and attracts men. Thats good reason. Sex change is not a cosmetical operation.
    It does not look great. C cups are pretty much ideal. DDs are alright. EEs are grotesque.

    A good reason for getting a sex change is because you want to get a sex change.

    Another good reason is because the junk sometimes gets in the way. It flops about uncomfortably when doing Butterfly-twists in the nude.

    Another good reason is because you want to use the girl's restrooms, which on the whole tend to be much more sanitary and pleasant-smelling.

    Another good reason is because you want to have female naughty bits to play with whenever you want, without the hassle of maintaining a relationship.

    The list goes on...

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Another good reason is because you want to have female naughty bits to play with whenever you want, without the hassle of maintaining a relationship.

    The list goes on...
    Not a good reason. You don't get female naughty bits.
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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    I wouldn't make it illegal, but there are good reasons not to do it. A significant percentage of people who undergo sex reassignment surgery regret it afterwards. This is partly because they do not receive adequate counseling beforehand. But the real reason is that, while some men want to be female, no one wants to be a trans-woman. It is not the same as being female. It is nothing but cosmetic surgery that mutilates your body into looking less male. And in a lot of cases it significantly impairs sexual function. Some people even end up trying to switch back. When a person with body dysmorphic disorder wants to chop off their own leg, we generally don't let them. But for some reason both doctors and society are afraid to say no to transsexuals.
    You are not mentioning good reasons not to do it. Let me clarify. No one who wants sex reassignment surgery should be allowed to do it without adequate counseling to determine that it is appropriate. It would be unethical, just like it would be unethical to give liposuction to someone with an active eating disorder. Once it has been determined through evaluation and counseling that the surgery is appropriate, then there is NO good reason not to have it.
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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are not mentioning good reasons not to do it. Let me clarify. No one who wants sex reassignment surgery should be allowed to do it without adequate counseling to determine that it is appropriate. It would be unethical, just like it would be unethical to give liposuction to someone with an active eating disorder. Once it has been determined through evaluation and counseling that the surgery is appropriate, then there is NO good reason not to have it.
    I concur.That is how it is done on the NHS, if you dont like it you can fly to Brazil. Brazil nuts coated in dark chocolate anyone

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Plastic surgeries are necessary or if not, at least makes sense.
    Increasing one's boob size to EEE... tell me how that is necessary or makes sense? Self-esteem? Sex reassignment surgery does the same.

    Its necessary because in cases of mutilation or such it can make peoples lifes much better. In cases of cosmetic surgery, it is usually done just to be more attractive, and attract more of the opposite sex, which is good reason in favour.
    Or to feel better about oneself. Similar to sex reassignment surgery.

    Perhaps we should allow doctors to cut of peoples other limbs also(legs/arms/fingers/hands), just because the patient want to do it.
    No, that would be a response to a psychiatric disorder. As I said, after careful evaluation and counseling, if it is determined that the request is appropriate. One thing you must remember is that current research points to the strong possibility that folks with Gender Identity Disorder may NOT have a mental disorder; their limbic systems may be producing hormones that mirror the gender that they believe they are. For some information on this:
    Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus -- Kruijver et al. 85 (5): 2034 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

    These limbic determinations can, currently, be only made post-mortem. However, this is why considerable counseling and evaluation are necessary to make the decision that treating this with sex reassignment surgery is appropriate.

    Also, remember something. Amputation creates a disability; gender reassignment surgery does not.
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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    So many wrong statements in one place, where to begin and what to address.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Self-esteem? Sex reassignment surgery does the same.
    Eh, no! Drugs could do the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Or to feel better about oneself. Similar to sex reassignment surgery.
    Psyciatric treatment and drugs could do the same!

    Would your first suggestion of treatment for depression be to increase boob or penis size?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, that would be a response to a psychiatric disorder.
    How is wanting to change sex not a psyciatric disorder? These people are born as man or woman, there is nothing more to it. If they feel that is wrong, then they are insane.

    (sometimes I wish I was a tiger, yet I dont demand that surgery should develop a brain moving procedure and allow it).

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As I said, after careful evaluation and counseling, if it is determined that the request is appropriate.
    In any case, evaluation and pre treatment is not severe enough. If the procedures were far better and more then they are now, and would include drug treatment, counceling and psyciatric treatment, then perhaps I would agree that in some cases sex change could be allowed.

    and I mean, that should take many many years of attempted alternative treatment, and possibly forceibly being treated in a psyciatric institution.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    One thing you must remember is that current research points to the strong possibility that folks with Gender Identity Disorder may NOT have a mental disorder; their limbic systems may be producing hormones that mirror the gender that they believe they are.
    I am sure drugs and treatment could take care of it far better than sex change.

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    These limbic determinations can, currently, be only made post-mortem. However, this is why considerable counseling and evaluation are necessary to make the decision that treating this with sex reassignment surgery is appropriate.
    Its definetely not sufficient at this point. And should also include therapy and treatment(drugs and insane asylum) not just counceling and evaluation.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Also, remember something. Amputation creates a disability; gender reassignment surgery does not.
    Come of, yes it does create disability!!!
    Imagine ruining your sex and sexual function for the rest of your life, what could be worse?

    I would grade it alongside genitaliar mutilation performed in Africa, where people cut of lips and clitoris by force. Those peoples sexual lives are ruined at about the same degree.
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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Just wondering who here is a certified psychologist or doctor.

    If not, wondering why we should assume that our uneducated opinion as to the best course of treatment for anyone should be given any creedence whatsoever.

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Just wondering who here is a certified psychologist or doctor.

    If not, wondering why we should assume that our uneducated opinion as to the best course of treatment for anyone should be given any creedence whatsoever.
    I am more sane than the majority of people in this thread.
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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes there is, it looks great and attracts men. Thats good reason. Sex change is not a cosmetical operation.
    No, it doesn't look great. No, it doesn't attract a lot of men. And if a woman needs attention that badly, I'm sure there are drugs to take care of how she's feeling.

    Sex change most certainly IS a cosmetic surgery, as well as a functional one.

    There is if you want to pick your nose clean. Doesnt always resolve itself just by blowing.
    Nope, doesn't need cleaned. I'm just sticking it up there for no good reason whatsoever. Surprisingly, this is still legal.


    So, give me a couple of good reasons in favour of allowing people to change their sex, without a psychological evaluation, without a mandatory thinking period, without proper warnings and so fourth.
    It's NEVER done without evaluation. And no doctor in their right mind would do it on the very day that someone comes in and requests it. For one thing, it would require an appointment. It wouldn't be logistically possible. No doc would do any surgery without discussing the possible side effects, what could go wrong, etc. So, I'm not getting your issue here.

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    Re: Should getting a sex change be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    Me and 2 of my friends had a conversation about this topic.

    We all had different opinions. I thought that it should stay legal, but not necessarily encouraged. Another thought they were immoral, not a natural right, and technology shouldn't be advanced in this topic. Another thought there wasn't much wrong with it.

    What is your opinion?
    It is already legal as long as you pay for it...
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