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Should getting a sex change be legal?

Should getting a sex change be legal?

  • Yes, it should be legal

    Votes: 75 87.2%
  • No, it should be illegal

    Votes: 10 11.6%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Total voters
    86
well, it's already legal, so i guess this is a moot point.

Clearly it should not be legal, its the most absurd legal thing in human society. There is absolutely no good reason for allowing it, unlike:

homosexuality
prostitution
drug use
and other bad things.
 
When a person with body dysmorphic disorder wants to chop off their own leg, we generally don't let them. But for some reason both doctors and society are afraid to say no to transsexuals.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

Its just all the extreme liberals that want to allow it for no other reason than being liberal and allowing anything. No wonder the conservative fascists in America is winning over such horribly bad competition.
 
No sense TO YOU. Your opinion is not relevant unless you can substantiate it with some facts and information... or it is nothing but your opinion. You would also run into the problem of then making illegal all non-necessary procedures, like many plastic surgeries.

Plastic surgeries are necessary or if not, at least makes sense.
Its necessary because in cases of mutilation or such it can make peoples lifes much better. In cases of cosmetic surgery, it is usually done just to be more attractive, and attract more of the opposite sex, which is good reason in favour.

And of course it should be legal. There is no good reason to NOT do it if someone wants it. See? I can do that too.

Perhaps we should allow doctors to cut of peoples other limbs also(legs/arms/fingers/hands), just because the patient want to do it.
 
Nope.
But why do you think it should be legal? What possible logical reason is there for allowing a sex change?

Why should a doctor be allowed to change someones sex, and for what intention? Should those patients not be sent to psyciatric treatment instead?

How would you react if your friend told you that he would chop his penis of tomorrow? Would you think he was sane?
If he wanted to go through gender reassignment, why should I have any say in it? If he asked my opinion, I would give him my honest opinion after listening to his thoughts on the subject.

You are the one wanting to make it illegal so you are the one who should justify your position more than just saying there is no reason for it. ;)

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Yes there is, it looks great and attracts men. Thats good reason. Sex change is not a cosmetical operation.

It does not look great. C cups are pretty much ideal. DDs are alright. EEs are grotesque.

A good reason for getting a sex change is because you want to get a sex change.

Another good reason is because the junk sometimes gets in the way. It flops about uncomfortably when doing Butterfly-twists in the nude.

Another good reason is because you want to use the girl's restrooms, which on the whole tend to be much more sanitary and pleasant-smelling.

Another good reason is because you want to have female naughty bits to play with whenever you want, without the hassle of maintaining a relationship.

The list goes on...
 
Another good reason is because you want to have female naughty bits to play with whenever you want, without the hassle of maintaining a relationship.

The list goes on...

Not a good reason. You don't get female naughty bits.
 
I wouldn't make it illegal, but there are good reasons not to do it. A significant percentage of people who undergo sex reassignment surgery regret it afterwards. This is partly because they do not receive adequate counseling beforehand. But the real reason is that, while some men want to be female, no one wants to be a trans-woman. It is not the same as being female. It is nothing but cosmetic surgery that mutilates your body into looking less male. And in a lot of cases it significantly impairs sexual function. Some people even end up trying to switch back. When a person with body dysmorphic disorder wants to chop off their own leg, we generally don't let them. But for some reason both doctors and society are afraid to say no to transsexuals.

You are not mentioning good reasons not to do it. Let me clarify. No one who wants sex reassignment surgery should be allowed to do it without adequate counseling to determine that it is appropriate. It would be unethical, just like it would be unethical to give liposuction to someone with an active eating disorder. Once it has been determined through evaluation and counseling that the surgery is appropriate, then there is NO good reason not to have it.
 
You are not mentioning good reasons not to do it. Let me clarify. No one who wants sex reassignment surgery should be allowed to do it without adequate counseling to determine that it is appropriate. It would be unethical, just like it would be unethical to give liposuction to someone with an active eating disorder. Once it has been determined through evaluation and counseling that the surgery is appropriate, then there is NO good reason not to have it.
I concur.That is how it is done on the NHS, if you dont like it you can fly to Brazil. Brazil nuts coated in dark chocolate anyone:lol:
 
Plastic surgeries are necessary or if not, at least makes sense.

Increasing one's boob size to EEE... tell me how that is necessary or makes sense? Self-esteem? Sex reassignment surgery does the same.

Its necessary because in cases of mutilation or such it can make peoples lifes much better. In cases of cosmetic surgery, it is usually done just to be more attractive, and attract more of the opposite sex, which is good reason in favour.

Or to feel better about oneself. Similar to sex reassignment surgery.

Perhaps we should allow doctors to cut of peoples other limbs also(legs/arms/fingers/hands), just because the patient want to do it.

No, that would be a response to a psychiatric disorder. As I said, after careful evaluation and counseling, if it is determined that the request is appropriate. One thing you must remember is that current research points to the strong possibility that folks with Gender Identity Disorder may NOT have a mental disorder; their limbic systems may be producing hormones that mirror the gender that they believe they are. For some information on this:
Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus -- Kruijver et al. 85 (5): 2034 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

These limbic determinations can, currently, be only made post-mortem. However, this is why considerable counseling and evaluation are necessary to make the decision that treating this with sex reassignment surgery is appropriate.

Also, remember something. Amputation creates a disability; gender reassignment surgery does not.
 
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So many wrong statements in one place, where to begin and what to address. :confused:

Self-esteem? Sex reassignment surgery does the same.

Eh, no! Drugs could do the same.

Or to feel better about oneself. Similar to sex reassignment surgery.

Psyciatric treatment and drugs could do the same!

Would your first suggestion of treatment for depression be to increase boob or penis size? :doh

No, that would be a response to a psychiatric disorder.

How is wanting to change sex not a psyciatric disorder? These people are born as man or woman, there is nothing more to it. If they feel that is wrong, then they are insane.

(sometimes I wish I was a tiger, yet I dont demand that surgery should develop a brain moving procedure and allow it).

As I said, after careful evaluation and counseling, if it is determined that the request is appropriate.

In any case, evaluation and pre treatment is not severe enough. If the procedures were far better and more then they are now, and would include drug treatment, counceling and psyciatric treatment, then perhaps I would agree that in some cases sex change could be allowed.

and I mean, that should take many many years of attempted alternative treatment, and possibly forceibly being treated in a psyciatric institution.

One thing you must remember is that current research points to the strong possibility that folks with Gender Identity Disorder may NOT have a mental disorder; their limbic systems may be producing hormones that mirror the gender that they believe they are.

I am sure drugs and treatment could take care of it far better than sex change.


Thanks.

These limbic determinations can, currently, be only made post-mortem. However, this is why considerable counseling and evaluation are necessary to make the decision that treating this with sex reassignment surgery is appropriate.

Its definetely not sufficient at this point. And should also include therapy and treatment(drugs and insane asylum) not just counceling and evaluation.

Also, remember something. Amputation creates a disability; gender reassignment surgery does not.

Come of, yes it does create disability!!!
Imagine ruining your sex and sexual function for the rest of your life, what could be worse?

I would grade it alongside genitaliar mutilation performed in Africa, where people cut of lips and clitoris by force. Those peoples sexual lives are ruined at about the same degree.
 
Just wondering who here is a certified psychologist or doctor.

If not, wondering why we should assume that our uneducated opinion as to the best course of treatment for anyone should be given any creedence whatsoever.
 
Just wondering who here is a certified psychologist or doctor.

If not, wondering why we should assume that our uneducated opinion as to the best course of treatment for anyone should be given any creedence whatsoever.

I am more sane than the majority of people in this thread. :mrgreen:
 
Yes there is, it looks great and attracts men. Thats good reason. Sex change is not a cosmetical operation.
No, it doesn't look great. No, it doesn't attract a lot of men. And if a woman needs attention that badly, I'm sure there are drugs to take care of how she's feeling.

Sex change most certainly IS a cosmetic surgery, as well as a functional one.

There is if you want to pick your nose clean. Doesnt always resolve itself just by blowing.
Nope, doesn't need cleaned. I'm just sticking it up there for no good reason whatsoever. Surprisingly, this is still legal.


So, give me a couple of good reasons in favour of allowing people to change their sex, without a psychological evaluation, without a mandatory thinking period, without proper warnings and so fourth.
It's NEVER done without evaluation. And no doctor in their right mind would do it on the very day that someone comes in and requests it. For one thing, it would require an appointment. It wouldn't be logistically possible. No doc would do any surgery without discussing the possible side effects, what could go wrong, etc. So, I'm not getting your issue here.
 
Me and 2 of my friends had a conversation about this topic.

We all had different opinions. I thought that it should stay legal, but not necessarily encouraged. Another thought they were immoral, not a natural right, and technology shouldn't be advanced in this topic. Another thought there wasn't much wrong with it.

What is your opinion?

It is already legal as long as you pay for it...:confused:
 
Me and 2 of my friends had a conversation about this topic.

We all had different opinions. I thought that it should stay legal, but not necessarily encouraged. Another thought they were immoral, not a natural right, and technology shouldn't be advanced in this topic. Another thought there wasn't much wrong with it.

What is your opinion?

I voted yes if someone wants to mutilate their own body why not...
 
Just wondering who here is a certified psychologist or doctor.

If not, wondering why we should assume that our uneducated opinion as to the best course of treatment for anyone should be given any creedence whatsoever.

I am a certified and licensed therapist.
 
So many wrong statements in one place, where to begin and what to address. :confused:

Yes, but they are all yours.



Eh, no! Drugs could do the same.

Not necessarily.



Psyciatric treatment and drugs could do the same!

Not necessarily.

Would your first suggestion of treatment for depression be to increase boob or penis size? :doh

If you actually read my comments, you would see that this would NEVER be my FIRST suggestion for treatment. Lots of evaluating and counseling would come first.



How is wanting to change sex not a psyciatric disorder? These people are born as man or woman, there is nothing more to it. If they feel that is wrong, then they are insane.

No, you are obviously uneducated on this topic. If you actually read the link to the research that I provided, you would see that the limbic system and biology may have something to do with this. The research is somewhat new, but there is the potential that this may be an abnormality that is created in birth, that sex reassignment surgery could resolve.

(sometimes I wish I was a tiger, yet I dont demand that surgery should develop a brain moving procedure and allow it).

Wishing you were a tiger and BELIEVING you WERE a tiger are two different things. The latter would show that you were suffering from delusions... unless you could prove that there were some biological factor that showed that you actually could be a tiger. If that were the case, I would sign off on your brain moving procedure.



In any case, evaluation and pre treatment is not severe enough. If the procedures were far better and more then they are now, and would include drug treatment, counceling and psyciatric treatment, then perhaps I would agree that in some cases sex change could be allowed.

Treatment and evaluation should be quite significant. The appropriate way to do it is for the person to live completely as a member of the opposite sex FOR A YEAR at least before the consideration of sex reassignment surgery is presented.

and I mean, that should take many many years of attempted alternative treatment, and possibly forceibly being treated in a psyciatric institution.

No, there are some pretty standard outpatient treatments for this issue. Hospitalization is not automatically called for.



I am sure drugs and treatment could take care of it far better than sex change.

Not necessarily. Medication and treatment is the first line of defense, only.




You're welcome.



Its definetely not sufficient at this point. And should also include therapy and treatment(drugs and insane asylum) not just counceling and evaluation.

More research needs to be done, but it makes sense. And therapy, medication, and evaluation is quite sufficient, unless the patient presents with something that requires hospitalization. This issue on it's own does not meet the criteria.



Come of, yes it does create disability!!!
Imagine ruining your sex and sexual function for the rest of your life, what could be worse?

This does not disable someone from working or functioning in society. So, no, it does not create a disability.

I would grade it alongside genitaliar mutilation performed in Africa, where people cut of lips and clitoris by force. Those peoples sexual lives are ruined at about the same degree.

Notice what you said. BY FORCE. NOT VOLUNTARY. This is not comparable.
 
I'm certifiable.
 
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