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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    She isn't 13 anymore. She is in her 40s and has asked for the case against him to be dismissed.
    The law was broken and the perpetrator pled guilty (then ran away). The law doesn't take into account someone else forgiving the crime. IT'S STILL A CRIME.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I agree that the guy was a creep, and I didn't even like his movies all that well, but I don't see the benefit in seeking justice for the woman against her wishes.
    Justice is blind. It demands a righting of wrongs regardless what others "wish."

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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeey View Post
    Akari sorry about my english,but when the US wants anyone they will get them,so i dont believe that in what u say,even in france.

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    You can not believe me all you want. But then you're just not in agreement with reality. That's your business. France did not extradite him, refused to extradite him. There's a reason he fled to France. Don't believe me, read something. Otherwise it's nothing more than ignorant ranting on your part based on your preconceived and uneducated bias.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    The law was broken and the perpetrator pled guilty (then ran away). The law doesn't take into account someone else forgiving the crime. IT'S STILL A CRIME.
    Laws should exist to protect and seek justice for victims who want it. If the law is going to exist just for the sake of existing, it may as well be an arbitrary law against wearing blue on Tuesdays.

    Justice is blind. It demands a righting of wrongs regardless what others "wish."
    Justice should open her eyes a bit then. Justice to the detriment of the wronged party isn't really justice. When the victim and the perpetrator are on the same side, further efforts won't do anyone any good.

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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are plenty of things for which we've gone overboard on. I'm the first to say that the current laws are well too stringent. That wasn't true in the 70's, things were ridiculously lenient. There's no excuse, this isn't a 16 year old with a 14 year old. This was some dude in his, what, late 40's and a 13 year old. If you can't see an ethical problem with some 40 some year old perv ****ing a drugged up 13 year old girl who says no then you're messed up in the head.
    If you can't see that I am not talking about some 40 some year old perv ****ing a drugged up 13 year old girl who says no then you're messed up in the head, sista.

    That being said, I still see no proof that he "drugged and raped" her. Still sounds like she was drinking and perhaps smoking pot, and then had ill advised sex. Is he perverted for doing that, yeah... 13 is freaking really young even if she is massively developed for her age.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    See, that sounds like a lot of work and a lot of wasted money that could have been better spent seeking justice for someone who actually wanted justice, or protecting someone who actually needed protecting.
    We waste way more money on well worse stuff. I'm not that disturbed about us keeping open a warrant and if we get information on the criminal, acting on the warrant. Doesn't cost that much, and is proper action in most cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I'm not defending him. I've already said I think he's a guilty creep. I just don't think he's worth wasting time or money on.
    If this were a significant percentage of our GDP, I'd probably agree with you. But it's sub percent and thus I don't care. If we want to bitch about money, there's plenty to bitch about. But I want something which makes a difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    If the random dude got a thread on DP and his victim didn't want him sent to jail, I would still see no reason for tax dollars to support his sorry a$$.
    You're still not listening on this case. There's nothing to dismiss. Had this never made it to court in the first place, maybe I'd be inclined to agree with out. But that's not reality. Reality is that he went to trial and plead guilty. That part of the case is now over, he had to be sentenced (his plea was time served) and then he ran before that. That's where we're at. Now he committed further crime by fleeing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    If it was a random dude running from sentencing whose victim had requested that he be let go, I think you would still find plenty of people who wanted to respect the wishes of the victim.
    Again, not listening. The victim is out of this equation now. Now it's all the State.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I never said that time and money hadn't already been wasted.
    The order of magnitude you're talking about is too small to make a difference. If there was a real impact, then maybe. Still I don't like my sovereignty being made light of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Please read carefully yourself. I didn't say the court process wasn't done. I didn't say that there was anything left but sentencing, I didn't say he didn't run, and I didn't say he wasn't facing further fleeing charges. Why do you keep addressing points I didn't make?
    Because it's the first time I heard you bring up money. It's previously been that the victim doesn't want charges brought up, so charges shouldn't be brought up. But the victim has very little to do with this anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I said its a waste of time and resources.
    It's not a huge waste of time and resources. It's something that the government has legitimate purpose doing.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If you can't see that I am not talking about some 40 some year old perv ****ing a drugged up 13 year old girl who says no then you're messed up in the head, sista.

    That being said, I still see no proof that he "drugged and raped" her. Still sounds like she was drinking and perhaps smoking pot, and then had ill advised sex. Is he perverted for doing that, yeah... 13 is freaking really young even if she is massively developed for her age.
    You can make as many excuses for pedophiles you want. Doesn't change the fact. He gave a minor drugs, he had sex with her, she testified it was against her wishes. 40 some old year guy had sex with drugged up 13 year old. That's the facts. I don't care what you can come up with to excuse this man's pedophilia. He did the crime, he was arrested, he plead guilty, he fled the country. Deal with the facts, not your preconceived notion of pedophilia and rape.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    She isn't 13 anymore. She is in her 40s and has asked for the case against him to be dismissed.

    I agree that the guy was a creep, and I didn't even like his movies all that well, but I don't see the benefit in seeking justice for the woman against her wishes.
    For safety and equality reasons we cannot let a rape victim drop charges. No matter what.

    If we allowed a rape victim to drop charges then we would have to let them all drop the charges (equality). This would lead to those that don't care about laws to try and coerce the victims into dropping the charges. (Safety) Rape is too serious of a crime to let this happen. Particularly child rape. Hell it's such a major no no that child rapists have to be put in a different section of prison just to keep them away from everyone else...cause even a murderer would string up a child rapist.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    It is a serous case Ikari, and i thought that the US would have done everyway
    they could to bring him to justice like as they do today, know to ways about that if they wanted,and as for reality what they the US want they will get as i have said before,dont kid yourself what they cant do,they can do anything if the want the USA

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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Laws should exist to protect and seek justice for victims who want it. If the law is going to exist just for the sake of existing, it may as well be an arbitrary law against wearing blue on Tuesdays.
    I'm not even sure how to address such nuttery.

    Let's try this... say Random Dude A murders Random Dude B. Are you seriously suggesting that, because the victim is dead and cannot "seek justice," the murder should not be considered a crime and the murderer should not be prosecuted? Seriously?

    Wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Justice should open her eyes a bit then.
    So, now you're suggesting that true justice belongs only to some. That goes against our entire judicial and legislative history. Hell, it goes against everything our country was founded upon and stands for. WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Justice to the detriment of the wronged party isn't really justice.
    How is holding Polanski responsible for his crime "a detriment" to the wronged party? Freaking SOCIETY is wronged when criminals are not held responsible for their actions. What planet do you live on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    When the victim and the perpetrator are on the same side, further efforts won't do anyone any good.
    So we should just toss out any pretense of justice, all together. Brilliant argument.


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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeey View Post
    It is a serous case Ikari, and i thought that the US would have done everyway
    they could to bring him to justice like as they do today, know to ways about that if they wanted,and as for reality what they the US want they will get as i have said before,dont kid yourself what they cant do,they can do anything if the want the USA

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    Poor grammar aside. The US can't force France to extradite. If they won't, they won't. You can think the US is all powerful if you like, but the US can't legitimately infringe upon the sovereignty of another State merely due to their extradition laws.

    As I said, if you care to educate yourself, go read something about this case and international extradition laws. Otherwise, you have nothing of value to add.
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