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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    The fact that the victim would like him not to.
    I don't give a **** if he is prosecuted for his original crime. He should be prosecuted and convicted for fleeing the country.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't give a **** if he is prosecuted for his original crime. He should be prosecuted and convicted for fleeing the country.
    Fair enough. I would agree with you.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He should get what any other person would get for fleeing from the law for so long. And it would be much more than a month in jail. He's not special just because of who he is, he should face the same justice. Had the judge not upheld the original plea, there were things he could have done instead. Fact remains, had he manned up and taken his medicine; the lot of the problem would have been resolved rather quickly and he would today be totally free to come to America. But he didn't, that was his choice. He made a plea and fled the country. He gets what he has coming to him.
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    Sorry I took so long to reply, we went to visit relatives in Little Rock for the weekend.

    Anyway... without being to be condescending, and referring to the italicized part above -- like what?

    If your attorney tells you that there's been a deal worked out between the defense and the prosecutor, you plead guilty to a crime - expecting that you'll receive the punishment as agreed to in the plea bargain - and then find out prior to sentencing that the judge either hasn't signed off on the deal, or has simply decided to change his/her mind... then what do you do?

    For example - you've been arrested for DUI/DWI. Your attorney tells you that s/he's worked out a plea bargain with the DA's office - you plead guilty to DUI/DWI, and the judge will sentence you to ARTOP (Alcohol Related Traffic Offenders Program), and defer sentencing until you complete ARTOP, at which time the case will be dismissed. You agree, plead guilty, and find out prior to sentencing that the judge intends to sentence you to six months in county jail.

    What do you do?

    I'm not an attorney (nor do I play one on television), so I don't know the answer. Is it possible to have a guilty plea withdrawn prior to sentencing, or do you now have to begin the appeals process?
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by SpotsCat View Post
    For example - you've been arrested for DUI/DWI. Your attorney tells you that s/he's worked out a plea bargain with the DA's office - you plead guilty to DUI/DWI, and the judge will sentence you to ARTOP (Alcohol Related Traffic Offenders Program), and defer sentencing until you complete ARTOP, at which time the case will be dismissed. You agree, plead guilty, and find out prior to sentencing that the judge intends to sentence you to six months in county jail.

    What do you do?

    I'm not an attorney (nor do I play one on television), so I don't know the answer. Is it possible to have a guilty plea withdrawn prior to sentencing, or do you now have to begin the appeals process?
    There's been some debate over this throughout the thread, but there's one thing you absolutely do not do - flee the country.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Originally Posted by EgoffTib
    ...And it is in my opinion that I find that line of thinking ridiculous.
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    It is ridiculous to think of a consequence as reasonable? You are claiming that a consequence must be revenge then? Huh?

    You think that ethics are ridiculous as well? Seriously? WTF?

    Lastly, you think that psychological damage to victims in no way impairs their reasoning or impartial outlook?

    Ummm... I have no idea what to say, I am simply shocked that you would say such a thing. Astounded really....
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There's been some debate over this throughout the thread, but there's one thing you absolutely do not do - flee the country.
    Why?

    Suppose you are arrested in mainland (Red) China, accused of a crime which you may or may not have committed, and told that if you plead guilty that you'll be sentenced to time served and made to leave the country. You do, and find out prior to sentencing that they intend to make an example out of you.

    I don't know about you, but given a choice between rotting in jail in a foreign country, or fleeing the country... my ass would be on the very next 747 headed back to LAX, even if I had to stowaway in the cargo hold!
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    red herring? did i get that right
    a bogus analogy?

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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    "Justice?" The main problem with nebulous and subjective terms like "Justice" is that there is no right or wrong definition. Justice is merely a laughable human construct designed to give man the illusion that he can play God.
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    red herring? did i get that right
    a bogus analogy?
    Maybe it is a red herring or a bogus analogy, but the point still remains --

    If you are in a foreign country, accused of committing a crime, and told by the judicial system that if you do "this", then we'll do "that", then find out prior to sentencing that they intend to renege on their part of the agreement - then what do you do?

    As for me personally: it's like the verse from the old Peter, Paul, & Mary song - I'm leavin' on a jet plane, I don't know when I'll be back again...
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    Re: Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by SpotsCat View Post
    Why?

    Suppose you are arrested in mainland (Red) China, accused of a crime which you may or may not have committed, and told that if you plead guilty that you'll be sentenced to time served and made to leave the country. You do, and find out prior to sentencing that they intend to make an example out of you.

    I don't know about you, but given a choice between rotting in jail in a foreign country, or fleeing the country... my ass would be on the very next 747 headed back to LAX, even if I had to stowaway in the cargo hold!
    There's a difference between fleeing China and fleeing the US.

    We have a robust legal system with all sorts of opportunities for criminal defendants to have their case heard. As a famous rich white man, Polanski was basically in the best position that anyone could ever be in. The fact of the matter is that anyone who was not a) rich, b) white, or c) famous, wouldn't even have been offered the plea deal that Polanski was.

    Finally, there's a very important fact that has been glossed over by almost everyone because it's a relatively legalistic distinction: No plea deal was broken. Polanski was never promised anything.

    The way the plea that he was offered works is that the defendant is subject to a 90-day psych evaluation. At the end of that period, probation makes a recommendation to the judge. The judge does not have to follow that recommendation. The judge can sentence the defendant to anything he wants.

    The news media, in its total inability to understand legal issues, has painted this as a situation where Polanski was promised a particular plea deal but the judge broke some rule and reneged on the deal. This is completely false. Polanski and his lawyers knew full well when he accepted the deal that he could be sentenced to a much longer jail term. They didn't think it would happen. When he found out it might, he tweaked out and bounced.
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