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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Irrelevant. He is allowed to do so if he chooses, that is the law of the land. If one of those people chose not to follow his order, they would be subject to punishment under the UCMJ.
    Oh, it's very relivant. You were in the service, you should know that. Is the president going to show up on an aircraft carrier and tell a green shirt how to do his job? Common sense tells me that that just ain't gonna happen.

    I don't know about the Navy, but in the Army, the days of following blindly are over.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, let a president issue an order that is unlawful, contrary to exsiting battelfield doctrine, or a violation of military regulations, a soldier refuse to follow that order and see just how it does go. I would love to see that case play out; especially with the current Chump in Charge.
    An unlawful order is not what we are talking about. If the president walks up to a soldier and issues a lawful order, the soldier is required to comply, despite what you claimed.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, let a president issue an order that is unlawful, contrary to exsiting battelfield doctrine, or a violation of military regulations, a soldier refuse to follow that order and see just how it does go. I would love to see that case play out; especially with the current Chump in Charge.
    Of your examples, only disobeying an unlawful order would/should be a successful defense at any court martial. The others are just BS.

    If a President orders you to:

    1."Execute that prisoner, right now!".....That is an unlawful order & you can be prosecuted for following it.

    2. "Walk your post in a military manner but stick your index fingers in your nose.".....That is a lawful order & must be obeyed. (no law against Silly orders!)
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    An unlawful order is not what we are talking about. If the president walks up to a soldier and issues a lawful order, the soldier is required to comply, despite what you claimed.
    You said that soldiers on the battlefield are obligated to follow the president's order, "no exceptions". Not only is a soldier not obligated to obey an unlawful order, he isn't obligated to obey any order that is contrary to current combat doctrine, or military regulations.

    Sorry to break it to you, but a soldier isn't obligated to blindly follow the president to that soldier's death.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Of your examples, only disobeying an unlawful order would/should be a successful defense at any court martial. The others are just BS.
    No, they're not. Anyone that's served in the actual military will tell you the same thing and I ain't talkin' about some POG, either.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You said that soldiers on the battlefield are obligated to follow the president's order, "no exceptions". Not only is a soldier not obligated to obey an unlawful order, he isn't obligated to obey any order that is contrary to current combat doctrine, or military regulations.

    Sorry to break it to you, but a soldier isn't obligated to blindly follow the president to that soldier's death.
    You are flat wrong.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You are flat wrong.
    Prove it!.....
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prove it!.....
    Anyone else care to respond here? I'm done. (my patience is wearing a little thin)

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Anyone else care to respond here? I'm done. (my patience is wearing a little thin)
    I would love for other veterans to respond.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would love for other veterans to respond.
    I have. You continued to press your fallacious point with no proof, but ask us to prove that the constitution really does put the president in charge of the military. Sometimes arguing with a complete idiot is a waste of time, and I think this is one of those times.

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