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  • The President-Civilian Control

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I agree, BUT......the President, aka Commander and Chief, has final say and makes the decision based on his military commanders.

    I am curious why this is even a POLL? I thought this question was clearly laid out in the Constitution; did someone try to change it?
    It is clearly defined in the Constitution, but many posts here seem to not understand/believe that.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think it behooves the civilian reps to go along with what the theater commander says should be done.
    Not always. Yes the commander may know more about strategies and tactics, but wars are usually fight for overall political reasons and have political overtones. It's the president's job to make sure that the military decisions help the political aim, something the generals might not fully grasp.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The President is technically & un-technically a civilian & no, I can't give orders to the military because I'm not CinC.
    While technically the President may be a civilian I would argue that in reality, as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, he is not really a civilian.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    While technically the President may be a civilian I would argue that in reality, as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, he is not really a civilian.
    Not really relevant...I'd say. You are arguing semantics. (neither Clinton nor Obama even knew how to give a proper salute & had zero military training. Whatever semantic argument you make you cannot argue the fact that they had no military experience at all & are civilians.....as the founding fathers intended to lead our military)
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    The President is the Commander and Chief, that is that. It is clearly written in the Constitution and leaves no room for change or misinterpretation.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 09-29-09 at 07:43 PM.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Not really relevant...I'd say. You are arguing semantics. (neither Clinton nor Obama even knew how to give a proper salute & had zero military training. Whatever semantic argument you make you cannot argue the fact that they had no military experience at all & are civilians.....as the founding fathers intended to lead our military)
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How do you figure that? He is at the top of the chain of command.
    He's not qualified to make decisions at the small unit level.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's not qualified to make decisions at the small unit level.
    The U.S. Constitution says differently.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's not qualified to make decisions at the small unit level.
    Irrelevant. He is allowed to do so if he chooses, that is the law of the land. If one of those people chose not to follow his order, they would be subject to punishment under the UCMJ.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Every single person in the military is still obligated to follow the president's orders. No exceptions. There are things a president should and should not do with that authority, but it is not limited legally. Try and not follow the president's orders while in the military and see how it goes.
    Yeah, let a president issue an order that is unlawful, contrary to exsiting battelfield doctrine, or a violation of military regulations, a soldier refuse to follow that order and see just how it does go. I would love to see that case play out; especially with the current Chump in Charge.
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