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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How do you figure that? He is at the top of the chain of command.
    How can the president, who has no physical presence on the battlefield, say what is, or isn't, the appropriate ROE for that particular theater of operations? An ROE that is beneficial to the mission and the troops, that is. The ROE goes hand-in-hand with the current combat tactics of that battlefield.

    The president's job is to say, "this is what we wish to accomplish", and the theater commander's job to accomplish the CIC's wishes. It's not the president's job to tell the TC how to accomplish the mission. I think that's where most of you are getting confused.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How can the president, who has no physical presence on the battlefield, say what is, or isn't, the appropriate ROE for that particular theater of operations? An ROE that is beneficial to the mission and the troops, that is. The ROE goes hand-in-hand with the current combat tactics of that battlefield.

    The president's job is to say, "this is what we wish to accomplish", and the theater commander's job to accomplish the CIC's wishes. It's not the president's job to tell the TC how to accomplish the mission. I think that's where most of you are getting confused.
    Every single person in the military is still obligated to follow the president's orders. No exceptions. There are things a president should and should not do with that authority, but it is not limited legally. Try and not follow the president's orders while in the military and see how it goes.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    How can the president, who has no physical presence on the battlefield, say what is, or isn't, the appropriate ROE for that particular theater of operations? An ROE that is beneficial to the mission and the troops, that is. The ROE goes hand-in-hand with the current combat tactics of that battlefield.

    The president's job is to say, "this is what we wish to accomplish", and the theater commander's job to accomplish the CIC's wishes. It's not the president's job to tell the TC how to accomplish the mission. I think that's where most of you are getting confused.
    I agree that the president has no business in telling a fire team what to do. However, if he wants to fly his helicopter into a combat zone and tell them where to point their SAW, they do have an obligation to obey his orders. The president has the authority to make any such order, even if it would be pointless and stupid.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanaganReport View Post
    I would be totally opposed to that. Most of the issues that come up the public has no clue about.
    The same can be said when electing a President. Yet that is still left up to the general public.

    But in anycase it doesn't matter. This country is The Peoples country. Not the Presidents country. Weather they have a "clue" about a particular subject makes no difference. They still have an opinion about it.

    When it comes to having the President listening to the People I am talking about things like abortion, gay marriage, health care reform, etc etc. That is when the President should listen to the People and do what they want.

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    Let us take missile defense for example, do we really want the general public voting on an issue that 90% of people could not even generally explain how it functioned?
    Missile defense is a military tactic, because of this the President does have ultimate control. My earlier assertion has been that there is no civilian control on military matters. Period. I was responding to all the other posts that state that civilians have control. They don't. And in military matters I don't think that they should. EXCEPT when it comes to going into or getting out of a war. That should be left to the People. Since more often than not it is the People that fight that war through volunteer civilians.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Can you tell anyone in the military what to do?
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    Missed this b4. If you are asking if a President can do that, the answer is yes. The President is CinC & any lawful order he gives must be carried out or you can be court-martialed for disobedience.
    No I was asking if you can tell anyone in the military what to do. You are a civilian correct?

    The President is not a civilian. As you say he is the CinC. He is technically in the military.

    The whole point of my posts is to show that no civilian has a say in what the military does. With the exceptions of those in Congress who only goes so far as to say weather or not our military can be used in a war or not. Beyond that no civilian has a say what so ever in military matters.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No I was asking if you can tell anyone in the military what to do. You are a civilian correct?

    The President is not a civilian. As you say he is the CinC. He is technically in the military.

    The whole point of my posts is to show that no civilian has a say in what the military does. With the exceptions of those in Congress who only goes so far as to say weather or not our military can be used in a war or not. Beyond that no civilian has a say what so ever in military matters.
    Being in the chain of command does not make you part of the military. He is part of the civilian authority. SecDef and the secretary of each branch are civilians in the chain of command as well.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, what business do military commanders with 30-odd years of experience have making military decisions. A general, with a couple different degress and untold hours of education in the military sciences couldn't possibly know more than a civilian president with a degree in basket weaving, when it comes to tactical and strategic matters. That would be totally nuts to do something like that and yes, I'm being sarcastic.
    Problem is there will always be another commander, with the same 30-odd years of experience who will be advising to do exactly the opposite of what the first commander recommends. The final decision must be made by a (hopefully) smart President who, after listening to all advise....goes with the most reasonable/logical choice.
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-29-09 at 07:37 AM.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, they're not obligated to obey the president's orders, in that particular situation.
    They are obligated to follow any lawful order a President issues.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No I was asking if you can tell anyone in the military what to do. You are a civilian correct?

    The President is not a civilian. As you say he is the CinC. He is technically in the military.

    The whole point of my posts is to show that no civilian has a say in what the military does. With the exceptions of those in Congress who only goes so far as to say weather or not our military can be used in a war or not. Beyond that no civilian has a say what so ever in military matters.
    The President is technically & un-technically a civilian & no, I can't give orders to the military because I'm not CinC.
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-29-09 at 07:36 AM.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The theater commander should have the president's full support when making decisions about tactics and strategy. IOW, if the theater commander says he needs it, the president let's him have it.
    I agree, BUT......the President, aka Commander and Chief, has final say and makes the decision based on his military commanders.

    I am curious why this is even a POLL? I thought this question was clearly laid out in the Constitution; did someone try to change it?

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