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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    I've been waiting for someone to pick up on it, but I guess ya'll just ain't gonna.

    If the president passes down orders to anyone other than his immediate subordinate in the chain of command, he is then in violation of the chain of command. The chain of command works both ways. Hence, it's impossible for the president to give lawful orders directly to field units, because it would be a violation of the chain of command and therefore, would be an unlawful order.

    Goddamn, I can't believe I had to actually explain to ya'll.

    Now, ya'll are more than welcome to show me the law, or regulation that allows the president to circumvent the chain of command.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've been waiting for someone to pick up on it, but I guess ya'll just ain't gonna.

    If the president passes down orders to anyone other than his immediate subordinate in the chain of command, he is then in violation of the chain of command. The chain of command works both ways. Hence, it's impossible for the president to give lawful orders directly to field units, because it would be a violation of the chain of command and therefore, would be an unlawful order.

    Goddamn, I can't believe I had to actually explain to ya'll.
    No it doesn't there is no Chain of Command if the President give an US Military Personal a direct order then that person has to carry it out.

    Question are you this dense or you just being stupid???

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've been waiting for someone to pick up on it, but I guess ya'll just ain't gonna.

    If the president passes down orders to anyone other than his immediate subordinate in the chain of command, he is then in violation of the chain of command. The chain of command works both ways. Hence, it's impossible for the president to give lawful orders directly to field units, because it would be a violation of the chain of command and therefore, would be an unlawful order.

    Goddamn, I can't believe I had to actually explain to ya'll.
    This is hilarious, and reveals a deep seated ignorance of the military, and of course you cannot prove any of it, since it is all wrong.

    Hint: when I was in the navy, if the skipper was near me and wanted me to do something, he did not have to track down my DivO to pass on the order to my Division chief who then did not have to pass it on to my branch supervisor...

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is hilarious, and reveals a deep seated ignorance of the military, and of course you cannot prove any of it, since it is all wrong.

    Hint: when I was in the navy, if the skipper was near me and wanted me to do something, he did not have to track down my DivO to pass on the order to my Division chief who then did not have to pass it on to my branch supervisor...
    We're not talking about your boat captain. We're talking about the president. You do understand the chain of command, yes?
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're not talking about your boat captain. We're talking about the president. You do understand the chain of command, yes?
    Apparently much better than you. Still waiting for you to offer any shred of proof that what you are claiming is accurate(and admitting that using this line against you is so much fun)>

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're not talking about your boat captain. We're talking about the president. You do understand the chain of command, yes?
    Oh he understand the chain of command it's you who seems to have a major problem with it. What part of this can't you understand. The President of the United States has the final say in any order's given it doesn't matter if it's Four Star General or some Buck Private if the President give either of them a direct order they must follow it or face a Court Marshal.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Oh he understand the chain of command it's you who seems to have a major problem with it. What part of this can't you understand. The President of the United States has the final say in any order's given it doesn't matter if it's Four Star General or some Buck Private if the President give either of them a direct order they must follow it or face a Court Marshal.
    The president cannot circumvent the chain of command. Hate to break it to you, but it just can't happen.

    I busted off in a brigadier general's ass one time for countermanding my orders, without properly utilizing the chain of command. Why was I in the right? Because he violated the chain of command. If he didn't like what my company was doing, he was supposed to go to my battalion commander, then my battalion commander would go to my company commander and then my company commander would inform me that my orders to the company needed to change. In which case, I would have modified my orders to the company in accoradance the the brigade commander's intent.

    That's just how the system works. Sorry.
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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The president cannot circumvent the chain of command. Hate to break it to you, but it just can't happen.

    I busted off in a brigadier general's ass one time for countermanding my orders, without properly utilizing the chain of command. Why was I in the right? Because he violated the chain of command. If he didn't like what my company was doing, he was supposed to go to my battalion commander, then my battalion commander would go to my company commander and then my company commander would inform me that my orders to the company needed to change. In which case, I would have modified my orders to the company in accoradance the the brigade commander's intent.

    That's just how the system works. Sorry.
    No it does not, and you have patently refused to show any evidence that it does. If some one over you countermands one of your orders without going through you, it is poor leadership, but perfectly legal. Your theory is in fact stupid, since it means superior officers have to find the next lowest in command whenever they want to issue no matter how trivial an order.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The president cannot circumvent the chain of command. Hate to break it to you, but it just can't happen.

    I busted off in a brigadier general's ass one time for countermanding my orders, without properly utilizing the chain of command. Why was I in the right? Because he violated the chain of command. If he didn't like what my company was doing, he was supposed to go to my battalion commander, then my battalion commander would go to my company commander and then my company commander would inform me that my orders to the company needed to change. In which case, I would have modified my orders to the company in accoradance the the brigade commander's intent.

    That's just how the system works. Sorry.
    I call BS on you there is no way on hell that you busted off on a 2 Star with out yourself getting taken infront of a Captian Mast. Who the hell do you think your dealing with here huh, you might be able to BS some folks about the Military but I along with quite a few other see thru your BS.

    Chain of Command is simple what every the President ask you do end of discussion.

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    Re: Who Should Have Final Say On Military Matters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No it does not, and you have patently refused to show any evidence that it does. If some one over you countermands one of your orders without going through you, it is poor leadership, but perfectly legal. Your theory is in fact stupid, since it means superior officers have to find the next lowest in command whenever they want to issue no matter how trivial an order.
    I can't prove a negative. It's up to you, since you insist that it's so, to show where it's OK for anyone to break the chain of command. We await with baited breath.
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