View Poll Results: Should the poor be given free money?

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Thread: Welfare for the Poor

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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Of course. Apart from my aforementioned reference to ever-present facets such as Hamilton's early advocacy of the infant industries argument in the eighteenth century, the U.S. was dependent on significant protectionism during the nineteenth century for the purpose of infant industry development.
    The tariff was the source of revenue for the federal government.

    I've noted that there's significant constrictions on social mobility that are exacerbated by the fact that the majority of aggregate wealth accumulation finds its basis in intergenerational transfers, as noted by Summers and Kotlikoff.
    Say it with me. People can move up in society.

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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Welfare should be given to those that actually need it. Not to those that just pop out babies so that they can get a free ride.
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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Welfare management is important for the over all success and maintenance of a developed society. The effects of someone having no money reach well beyond just that person.

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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Are there no work-houses ?
    Are there no prisons ?
    With all the financial troubles the states are having, welfare should be reduced by at least 20%.

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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Welfare management is important for the over all success and maintenance of a developed society. The effects of someone having no money reach well beyond just that person.
    Elaborate and tell me why theft is a better solution than charity.

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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The tariff was the source of revenue for the federal government.
    The tariff protections were integral means of ensuring the appropriate development of existing infant industries at the time.

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    Say it with me. People can move up in society.
    I think I'll trust the available empirical literature on the topic rather than a mises.org acolyte.

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    Elaborate and tell me why theft is a better solution than charity.
    It's not. That's why I oppose capitalism as much as possible.

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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The tariff protections were integral means of ensuring the appropriate development of existing infant industries at the time.
    If you say so.

    I think I'll trust the available empirical literature on the topic rather than a mises.org acolyte.
    More trolling.

    It's not. That's why I oppose capitalism as much as possible.
    The poor realize that they're poor. They realize that they can get money from the rich by voting for a tax increase. So they pass a tax increase and get that money. Sounds like theft to me.

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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    I think if its absolutely necessary they should be supported but in general I don't have much time for social welfare. It seems more like a mechanism of pacification for corporate-capitalism than anything else to me. I'd rather remove the state created obstacles to many people having a much easier route to providing for themselves rather than support a system that stops this.
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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If you say so.
    He does and he is correct.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 09-27-09 at 02:45 AM.
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    Re: Welfare for the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If you say so.
    Thanks. I'm glad you've conceded the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    More trolling.
    I'm referring to the likes of this. If you can challenge that empirical research, feel free.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The poor realize that they're poor. They realize that they can get money from the rich by voting for a tax increase. So they pass a tax increase and get that money. Sounds like theft to me.
    That would ignore the initial theft on the part of the rich through their misappropriation of the surplus value produced by the working class. Capital accumulation itself is based on theft. Welfare programs, conversely, sustain capitalist economic structure, as I've noted above without challenge of what I actually posted.

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