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  • Fire arms/weapons registrations

    16 57.14%
  • Waiting Periods.

    14 50.00%
  • Laws governing how firearms are to be stored.

    11 39.29%
  • Firearms/weapon class requirement.

    10 35.71%
  • Convicted felons and certified crazy people permanently banned from firearms/weapon ownership.

    17 60.71%
  • Convicted felons and certified crazy people temporarily banned from firearms/weapon ownership

    13 46.43%
  • Age minimum requirement to buy firearms/weapons(please specify)

    24 85.71%
  • Firearm magazine size restrictions(please specify)

    6 21.43%
  • ban on certain firearms/weapons (please specify)

    15 53.57%
  • other(please specify)

    3 10.71%
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What do you define as reasonable restrictions to the second amendment? This is mostly aimed at the 35 plus people who voted in this thread. Everybody has their own interpretation of what exactly is "reasonable".

    Permits/licenses for firearms/weapons

    Fire arms/weapons registrations

    Waiting Periods.

    Laws governing how firearms are to be stored.

    Firearms/weapon class requirement.

    Convicted felons and certified crazy people permanently banned from firearms/weapon ownership.(please specify)

    Convicted felons and certified crazy people temporarily banned from firearms/weapon ownership.(please specify)

    Age minimum requirement to buy firearms/weapons(please specify)

    Firearm magazine size restrictions(please specify)

    ban on certain firearms/weapons (please specify)

    other(please specify)

    It is my belief that you do not need permission from the government in order to exercise a right. It is also my belief that our founding forefathers created the second amendment as a means for individuals to protect themselves and loved ones, to to protect this country if it was ever invaded, and to over throw the government if it became too tyrannical/ corrupt. So the government therefore has no business restricting any firearms or which law abiding citizens can own firearms.
    This poll is pretty meaningless in that many of the choices already exist as laws. I am struggling to see a point.

    Other than the BAN on weapons which many on the left are attempting to promote, where is the choice for "Leave current laws in place," or "enforce existing laws?"

    Perhaps the REAL debate would be how is disarming law abiding citizens going to reduce crime?

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This poll is pretty meaningless in that many of the choices already exist as laws.

    snip....


    Other than the BAN on weapons which many on the left are attempting to promote, where is the choice for "Leave current laws in place," or "enforce existing laws?"
    Most states do not have waiting periods, back ground checks, permits/licenses, fire arms registration or laws on how firearms should be stored.
    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : State Gun Laws


    I am struggling to see a point.
    The point is to see what "Reasonable restrictions" means to those who claim to support reasonable restrictions or reasonable gun laws, what is reasonable to one person is not to another person.
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The point is to see what "Reasonable restrictions" means to those who claim to support reasonable restrictions or reasonable gun laws, what is reasonable to one person is not to another person.
    That's because, to most, "reasnoable" means "what I think is a good idea".
    There is rarely any sort of objective standard to quantify this, and so "a good idea" is usually very subjective and almost always boils doen to "how I think it should be".

    That's why I said that for a restriction be "reasonable" it had to meet two standards -- actually have some positive effect on gun violence and not violate the constitution -- else it is useless and/or unconstitutional; a useless and/or unconstitutional restriction could not, objectively, be held as "reasonable".
    Last edited by Goobieman; 09-29-09 at 05:00 PM.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Most states do not have waiting periods, back ground checks, permits/licenses, fire arms registration or laws on how firearms should be stored.
    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : State Gun Laws
    Three things; using the Brady web site for any argument on second amendment rights is beyond laughable and borders on disbelief; two, the amusing thing about the Brady scoring system is that the states they rate the highest for their gun laws also happen to have the highest rates of gun violence; and three, is it your contention that States do not have the right to legislate their own needs as it relates to gun laws as long as they do not violate the second amendment?

    I seriously doubt that anyone would agree that waiting periods should fall in the realm of a uniform national Federal law as every state has different issues and concerns; after all, we are a federation of States, not a conglomerate of citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The point is to see what "Reasonable restrictions" means to those who claim to support reasonable restrictions or reasonable gun laws, what is reasonable to one person is not to another person.
    That is not a point; a point would be to determine a consensus for what is deemed to be "reasonable." Good luck with that one though.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Three things; using the Brady web site for any argument on second amendment rights is beyond laughable and borders on disbelief;
    If you want a good source of anti-2nd amendment laws then a anti-2nd amendment website is a good source for that information.



    two, the amusing thing about the Brady scoring system is that the states they rate the highest for their gun laws also happen to have the highest rates of gun violence;
    They also give states with the most anti-2nd amendment laws the best scores.


    and three, is it your contention that States do not have the right to legislate their own needs as it relates to gun laws as long as they do not violate the second amendment?
    The second amendment says " shall not infringe".So anything that basically requires you to seek permission from the government is an infringement and makes it a privilege instead of a right. Last I check it was the bill of rights not the bill of privileges.





    That is not a point; a point would be to determine a consensus for what is deemed to be "reasonable." Good luck with that one though.
    I made the thread so I know what the point of the thread is.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 09-29-09 at 04:57 PM.
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's because, to most, "reasnoable" means "what I think is a good idea".
    There is rarely any sort of objective standard to quantify this, and so "a good idea" is usually very subjective and almost always boils doen to "how I think it should be".

    That's why I said that for a restriction be "reasonable" it had to meet two standards -- actually have some positive effect on gun violence and not violate the constitution -- else it is useless and/or unconstitutional; a useless and/or unconstitutional restriction could not, objectively, be held as "reasonable".
    Strict scrutiny.

    Must serve a compelling government interest (as in, society pretty could not function without it), and the restriction must be narrowly tailored to serve that interest and do nothing further.
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