View Poll Results: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

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  • Fire arms/weapons registrations

    16 57.14%
  • Waiting Periods.

    14 50.00%
  • Laws governing how firearms are to be stored.

    11 39.29%
  • Firearms/weapon class requirement.

    10 35.71%
  • Convicted felons and certified crazy people permanently banned from firearms/weapon ownership.

    17 60.71%
  • Convicted felons and certified crazy people temporarily banned from firearms/weapon ownership

    13 46.43%
  • Age minimum requirement to buy firearms/weapons(please specify)

    24 85.71%
  • Firearm magazine size restrictions(please specify)

    6 21.43%
  • ban on certain firearms/weapons (please specify)

    15 53.57%
  • other(please specify)

    3 10.71%
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Given that it was well-publicized news, I'm afraid not. It's just perhaps evidence of your unfamiliarity with chain-of-command issues (it's a bit more complicated than hamburger externalities, you see ) that you'd not be interested in addressing so unlikely a figure as say...the commander in Afghanistan?



    It seems, then, that referring to ownership of civilian-grade technology as a necessary means of revolting against the government when the time comes is rather hopeless.
    The Commander of CENTCOM is responsible for the entire Middle Eastern theater; that includes Afghanistan.

    What's "civilian-grade technology"?

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Commander of CENTCOM is responsible for the entire Middle Eastern theater; that includes Afghanistan.

    What's "civilian-grade technology"?
    What you forget:
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    They are not unconstitutional for the same reason that shouting "Fire!" falsely in a crowded theater is not unconstitutional.
    Not sure what you mean... the laws prohibiting yelling fire in a theater are not unconstitutional because doing so is not 'free speech' in that it places others in a condition of immediate clear and present danger.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not sure what you mean... the laws prohibiting yelling fire in a theater are not unconstitutional because doing so is not 'free speech' in that it places others in a condition of immediate clear and present danger.
    The whole "shouting fire" thing has to be one of the widest used misuses of an argument ever. People always use it without really thinking as to why these things aren't legal. There is a limitation to our rights, it is that we may not infringe upon the rights of others. That's the one natural restriction to the exercise of rights.
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    And one of the most misunderstood. It was actually an example of what OWH, Jr., considered the most stringent example of the protection of free speech, and in no way was any actual ruling in the case. The case itself was about distributing anti-draft leaflets during WWI.

    In a case, by the way, which was later overturned, and the example doesn't even apply anymore. The standard became "inciting imminent lawless action," not just panic.

    But even supposing it were the actual holding of the case, and that the case was still controlling law, very few people would even begin to know how to apply it, especially in any realm not having to do with free speech.

    "You can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater!!!!!!" OK, then what? It justifies no specific limitation on any other right.
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    What I find really funny about this thread is that the people who support weapons restrictions also support unlimited voting after 18, which does far worse damage than a gun could ever do.

    So I'll vote for no restrictions, I have to protect myself from the sheep with "mainstream" beliefs.
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not sure what you mean... the laws prohibiting yelling fire in a theater are not unconstitutional because doing so is not 'free speech' in that it places others in a condition of immediate clear and present danger.
    I would say that a private citizen owning a nuclear weapon places others in a condition of immediate clear and present danger.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I would say that a private citizen owning a nuclear weapon places others in a condition of immediate clear and present danger.
    Not necessarily. If that citizen had the capability and know-how to stabilize it for a prolonged period of time he could store it without any immediate danger to others around him.

    So, maybe owning a nuke is a "right" in the most extreme sense of the word, but that doesn't mean society can't - or shouldn't - infringe upon that right.

    I'm comfortable with banning people from owning nuclear weapons, even though it would be the most spectacularly redundant law ever, because no individual person has the means to create one, but I would ban it with the caveat that, yes, perhaps we are infringing upon a right. I'm just more comfortable when the decisions we make are based upon honesty instead of some convoluted "intellectual" argument.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I would say that a private citizen owning a nuclear weapon places others in a condition of immediate clear and present danger.
    Nuclear weapons aren't 'arms' as the term is used in the 2nd amendment.

    So, I am still not sure what you mean.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "You can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater!!!!!!" OK, then what? It justifies no specific limitation on any other right.
    "Fire in a theater" is analogous to firing a gun into the air while within city limits.

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