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  • Fire arms/weapons registrations

    16 57.14%
  • Waiting Periods.

    14 50.00%
  • Laws governing how firearms are to be stored.

    11 39.29%
  • Firearms/weapon class requirement.

    10 35.71%
  • Convicted felons and certified crazy people permanently banned from firearms/weapon ownership.

    17 60.71%
  • Convicted felons and certified crazy people temporarily banned from firearms/weapon ownership

    13 46.43%
  • Age minimum requirement to buy firearms/weapons(please specify)

    24 85.71%
  • Firearm magazine size restrictions(please specify)

    6 21.43%
  • ban on certain firearms/weapons (please specify)

    15 53.57%
  • other(please specify)

    3 10.71%
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Of course I can't see the purpose of these prohibitionist strategies that others push, particularly the minimum age restrictions
    So you think a five-year-old should be able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a gun and ammo without anyone asking any questions whatsoever?
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you think a five-year-old should be able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a gun and ammo without anyone asking any questions whatsoever?
    Possibly, though I'm not aware of many five-year-olds that would have the initiative or ultimate competence to do so. I think five-year-olds' current incapacities to responsibly manage firearms are due to their lack of training, of course, as young children have possessed the ability to manage lethal weapons competently in "primitive" societies.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I wasn't aware that there was a substantial insurgency in existence, or that they possessed military-grade weaponry. Has this been published in a mises.org blog post that I'm unaware of?
    So, what was your point then, oh brilliant one? Rage said we have weapons in case we need to overthrow the government. You implied that this was not feasible because the government has super-awesome military technology. Apparently, you know something about military strategy and tactics that I don't because I always thought counter-insurgency operations were a lot more complex than simply having nice fighter jets and shiny weapons.

    Please, enlighten me as to your unique viewpoint; wow me with your vast reservoir of military knowledge. Iím ever so anxious!

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, what was your point then, oh brilliant one? Rage said we have weapons in case we need to overthrow the government. You implied that this was not feasible because the government has super-awesome military technology. Apparently, you know something about military strategy and tactics that I don't because I always thought counter-insurgency operations were a lot more complex than simply having nice fighter jets and shiny weapons.

    Please, enlighten me as to your unique viewpoint; wow me with your vast reservoir of military knowledge. Iím ever so anxious!
    Actually, no, it would be unfeasible in the case of both wide distribution of military-grade weaponry among state personnel and a lack of sufficient political turbulence to spark a violent insurrection, both of which are factors that prevent it. Shocking though it might sound, the lack of any substantial insurgency might also prove to be a complication. Believe it or not, your backyard picnic doesn't count.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Actually, no, it would be unfeasible in the case of both wide distribution of military-grade weaponry among state personnel...
    What's that got to do with anything? You just give government personnel some "military grade weaponry" and the war is over? Just like that, huh?

    Hold on, I have to get in touch with General Petraeus, I just found out how to win in Afghanistan.

    Petraeus: Give the troops guns? Nice ones? Really!? I never thought of that before! Thanks!

    ...and a lack of sufficient political turbulence to spark a violent insurrection, both of which are factors that prevent it. Shocking though it might sound, the lack of any substantial insurgency might also prove to be a complication. Believe it or not, your backyard picnic doesn't count.
    Nobody's contesting the current absence of an insurgency, nor is anyone contesting the fact that the lack of an insurgency precludes the successful overthrow of a tyrannical government. Please give your army of straw men the order to withdraw from intellectual combat.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What's that got to do with anything? You just give government personnel some "military grade weaponry" and the war is over? Just like that, huh?

    Hold on, I have to get in touch with General Petraeus, I just found out how to win in Afghanistan.

    Petraeus: Give the troops guns? Nice ones? Really!? I never thought of that before! Thanks!
    You might have to get General Petraeus in Afghanistan first, since he doesn't happen to be there at the moment. Shocking, I know, but it's not exactly top-secret information limited to us classified folk.

    That situation is one that involves belligerents all in control of military-grade weaponry, many of them in illegal control of it. Squabbling about the legal right to control far weaker weaponry is of little consequence in the case of the development of an actual insurgency, in which case military-grade and unconventional weaponry would likely be seized and hoarded, unless you're planning on taking out an Abrams with your trusty Glock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Nobody's contesting the current absence of an insurgency, nor is anyone contesting the fact that the lack of an insurgency precludes the successful overthrow of a tyrannical government. Please give your army of straw men the order to withdraw from intellectual combat.
    Quick, look out the window! Was that a point that just whizzed by?

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    You might have to get General Petraeus in Afghanistan first, since he doesn't happen to be there at the moment. Shocking, I know, but it's not exactly top-secret information limited to us classified folk.
    Yes, I'm aware. Apparently, you're unfamiliar with his role as the Commander of CENTCOM.

    That situation is one that involves belligerents all in control of military-grade weaponry, many of them in illegal control of it. Squabbling about the legal right to control far weaker weaponry is of little consequence in the case of the development of an actual insurgency, in which case military-grade and unconventional weaponry would likely be seized and hoarded, unless you're planning on taking out an Abrams with your trusty Glock.
    Yea, rifles and machine guns are of no use to any insurgency. Good point.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yes, I'm aware. Apparently, you're unfamiliar with his role as the Commander of CENTCOM.
    Given that it was well-publicized news, I'm afraid not. It's just perhaps evidence of your unfamiliarity with chain-of-command issues (it's a bit more complicated than hamburger externalities, you see ) that you'd not be interested in addressing so unlikely a figure as say...the commander in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, rifles and machine guns are of no use to any insurgency. Good point.
    It seems, then, that referring to ownership of civilian-grade technology as a necessary means of revolting against the government when the time comes is rather hopeless.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That's pleasantly archaic, considering the advent of military-grade technology that can blow you and your little peashooter into smithereens.
    That is why civilians should be able to get the same weapons as the military. Kind of hard to overthrow the government when civilians have civilian grade weapons.

    Please save you we have the most advance military in the world civilians can't possibly stand a chance against them. Look how long it is taking our military in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As soon as you get the Supreme Court to agree with you, I will give merit to your argument.
    As soon as you get the Supreme Court to agree with YOU, I will give merit to YOURS.

    That said:
    They did agree with me, in Heller v DC, regarding handguns, which, as noted before, was rooted in the Miller decision.
    Apply the same argument to all other firearms, and there you go.

    Unless, of course, you can explain how the arguments in those decisions would NOT then extend to all firearms.
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