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  • Fire arms/weapons registrations

    16 57.14%
  • Waiting Periods.

    14 50.00%
  • Laws governing how firearms are to be stored.

    11 39.29%
  • Firearms/weapon class requirement.

    10 35.71%
  • Convicted felons and certified crazy people permanently banned from firearms/weapon ownership.

    17 60.71%
  • Convicted felons and certified crazy people temporarily banned from firearms/weapon ownership

    13 46.43%
  • Age minimum requirement to buy firearms/weapons(please specify)

    24 85.71%
  • Firearm magazine size restrictions(please specify)

    6 21.43%
  • ban on certain firearms/weapons (please specify)

    15 53.57%
  • other(please specify)

    3 10.71%
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No. Violates the constitution, just as a license or permit to go to church does.


    No. Violates the constitution, just as having to register your webblog does.


    No. Assuming this is for a background check, it violates the constitution as prior restraint.


    No. Violates the constitution, just as a legal requirement to have a certain education before you can be a reporter does..
    They are not unconstitutional for the same reason that shouting "Fire!" falsely in a crowded theater is not unconstitutional.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Those other things you listed are not constitutional rights. The 26th amendment standardizes the right to vote to a citizen at least 18 years old.
    I'm not sure what voting has to do with anything... Our legal tradition has always been that minors are entitled to some (but not all) rights of adults. For example, if a child's parent consents to let the police search his room, the child (or his attorney) cannot successfully argue that it constituted an illegal search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment.

    I think one could make a similar argument for guns...they're a right for all ADULTS. Generally speaking, I think people age 12-15 should be able to own guns with parental consent and proper training, and people age 16+ should be able to own them without those things. But at some point, common sense needs to come into play. Is it really OK for a five-year-old to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a gun and ammo without anyone asking any questions?
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not sure what voting has to do with anything...
    Our legal tradition has always been that minors are entitled to some (but not all) rights of adults. For example, if a child's parent consents to let the police search his room, the child (or his attorney) cannot successfully argue that it constituted an illegal search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment.

    I think one could make a similar argument for guns...they're a right for all ADULTS.
    Letting the police search the child's room is at the discretion of the parents not the government.
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    They are not unconstitutional for the same reason that shouting "Fire!" falsely in a crowded theater is not unconstitutional.
    So you are okay with basically asking permission from the government to exercise your rights?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Toddlers with guns... yikes!
    Okay, yuk it up.

    To be more specific, with my Dad standing right behind me with his hands poised to take control if I did anything ill-considered.

    I started my own son at 4.

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Letting the police search the child's room is at the discretion of the parents not the government.
    Right, so why shouldn't gun rights work the same way? Both are in the Constitution.
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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are okay with basically asking permission from the government to exercise your rights?
    What's a "right"? Does one have a "right" to own a nuclear missile?

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Right, so why shouldn't gun rights work the same way? Both are in the Constitution.
    So you would be okay Jimmy sent his son little Johnny go down to the gun store to buy some bullets and a gun as long as that child has permission from his parents?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    What's a "right"? Does one have a "right" to own a nuclear missile?
    So I take that as a yes you think citizens should have to get permission from the government in order to exercise a constitutional right.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What do you define as reasonable restrictions for the second amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you would be okay Jimmy sent his son little Johnny go down to the gun store to buy some bullets and a gun as long as that child has permission from his parents?
    Depends how old Little Johnny is. I think anyone age 16+ should be able to buy a gun without permission from anyone (aside from the other issues we're talking about, e.g. convicted felons). I think anyone age 12-15 should be able to buy guns and ammo with parental consent and the proper training. I don't think that kids younger than 12 should be able to buy guns and ammo themselves...but I also don't think it's a horrible thing if parents buy them for their kids as long as the kids are being supervised.
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