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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Hence my problem. It's okay for the government to extinguish life, but if we do it, it's murder.
    To take this to a deeper level.......I think you are miss-defining all killing as murder, which it is not. Some killing is justifiable (self-defense, war etc) Murder is never justifiable or legal.

    If you're argument is that all killing is immoral, then that is your right to have that opinion but I simply disagree.

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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Hence my problem. It's okay for the government to extinguish life, but if we do it, it's murder.
    It's not always murder if we do it either. Soldiers can kill in a war and it's not murder. You can kill in self defense and it's not murder. You can kill accidentally and it's not murder. There are plenty of cases where killing isn't murder, you're just exaggerating.
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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    To take this to a deeper level.......I think you are miss-defining all killing as murder, which it is not. Some killing is justifiable (self-defense, war etc) Murder is never justifiable or legal.
    No, the concept of "murder vs. killing" is not lost on me.

    If you're argument is that all killing is immoral, then that is your right to have that opinion but I simply disagree.
    Agree to disagree. The only time I would kill anyone would be in self-defense, and I still think I would have trouble dealing with the ramifications of that action.
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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not always murder if we do it either. Soldiers can kill in a war and it's not murder.
    Essentially employees of the government.

    You can kill in self defense and it's not murder.
    Sometimes. Other times you can kill in self defense and get charged.

    You can kill accidentally and it's not murder.
    True, that would be manslaughter, which is still a crime.

    There are plenty of cases where killing isn't murder, you're just exaggerating.
    Right, and anytime the government kills, it's never murder. That's the problem.
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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Essentially employees of the government.
    So? Stop moving the goalposts.

    Sometimes. Other times you can kill in self defense and get charged.
    Not with murder.

    True, that would be manslaughter, which is still a crime.
    But it's still not murder.

    Right, and anytime the government kills, it's never murder. That's the problem.
    If done within the confines of the law, then certainly it would never be murder, why is that a problem?
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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If done within the confines of the law, then certainly it would never be murder, why is that a problem?
    Because the "confines of the law" are not set in stone. Take a look at the Patriot Act(suspension of habaeus corpus) as an example of the government changing laws to meet it's desires.
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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Because the "confines of the law" are not set in stone. Take a look at the Patriot Act(suspension of habaeus corpus) as an example of the government changing laws to meet it's desires.
    And that is where, in a representative republic, we need to hold our elected representatives responsible. Funny how we never do it, we just point fingers and complain.
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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And that is where, in a representative republic, we need to hold our elected representatives responsible. Funny how we never do it, we just point fingers and complain.
    Speak for yourself. I'm doing as much as one person can do to get my incumbents out of office and get this country back on the tracks.
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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Speak for yourself. I'm doing as much as one person can do to get my incumbents out of office and get this country back on the tracks.
    Great, but unless you can convince others to do the same, you're still not making a bit of difference. This is a representative republic, not a "Represent EgoffTib" republic. It's got to be something that the people, as a whole, are willing to stand up for or it doesn't work.

    And politicians know that.
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    Re: Should Convicted Terrorists Be Executed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Great, but unless you can convince others to do the same, you're still not making a bit of difference. This is a representative republic, not a "Represent EgoffTib" republic. It's got to be something that the people, as a whole, are willing to stand up for or it doesn't work.
    Again, you're operating under the premise that I am not actively trying to do this.

    And politicians know that.
    Agreed.
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