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Thread: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    She may feel that by talking publicly about what happened to her, she makes it easier for other victims to get the help they need. Kind of like Betty Ford and breast cancer, and victims of domestic violence who talk publicly about their victimization in hopes that other women will get help if they are in similar situations. And, people who talk about mental illness/addiction in hopes of removing the stigma.

    You go public to help other people, to let them know that they aren't alone, and that there is help.
    Yeah, that makes sense I guess.
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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Its very sad you have to explain this to anyone Catz
    How so? Isn't that the point of discussion? We can't all be enlightened about everything at all times. Prehaps at your advanced age(in comparison with mine) some things that are simple knowledge to you, have yet to be explored by someone younger like myself. I've always said that I am always learning from people here.

    I thanked Catz for her explanation, because I had not considered that point before. It makes sense to me now.
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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    In her book she writes about having sex with Mick Jagger.

    All part of her therapy I guess.

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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    In her book she writes about having sex with Mick Jagger.

    All part of her therapy I guess.
    good point.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    In her book she writes about having sex with Mick Jagger.

    All part of her therapy I guess.
    Children who are sexually abused often act out their sexuality in a variety of ways. The book is a memoir. Should she have left that part out?

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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh my. female circumcision is culturally subjective? i don't think so. how does THAT not interfere with a child's natural rights?
    Natural rights are based on empirically-observable objective economic facts, not on liblady's opinion of what sexual practices or body modification surgeries are desirable or undesirable. I agree with you that female circumcision is bad, and we are free to speak out against it and ostracize the parents who do it to their children, but interfering in that family issue with force is unjustifiable.

    Parents choose to bring their children into this world, and until those children become self-owning adults no one has higher authority over them than their parents. Not all families are perfect, but one does not choose what reality s\he is born into. Having to obey your parents in all things until you can be legally emancipated is a very small price to pay in exchange for being born.

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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    I agree with you that female circumcision is bad, and we are free to speak out against it and ostracize the parents who do it to their children, but interfering in that family issue with force is unjustifiable.
    So, similarly, if a parent wants to beat a child into a bloody pulp on a regular basis or use them as a sex toy, or take pornographic pictures of the child and post them on the internet for sale, or marry/sell their 12-year-old daughter to a 72 year old polygamist with 12 wives, that is their right. Am I correct?

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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, similarly, if a parent wants to beat a child into a bloody pulp on a regular basis or use them as a sex toy, or take pornographic pictures of the child and post them on the internet for sale, or marry/sell their 12-year-old daughter to a 72 year old polygamist with 12 wives, that is their right. Am I correct?
    Yes, although she is protected by her right to emancipation, which means her parents' rights over her become null and void if she initiates legal proceedings, or someone else initiates them on her behalf, and she can convince a jury that she can take care of herself without her parents, possibly under the condition that her custody be transferred to somebody else. In any civilized society there would be an overabundance of charitable organizations to help the victims of child abuse, but interfering in family matters against as a matter of criminal law, which is what the government often does today, is completely unjustifiable.

    Furthermore, a marriage is a contract, and one cannot enter into a contract as a child. Any agreements entered into under the authority of one's parents become null and void upon your emancipation, and everyone is emancipated by default upon reaching a certain age (ex. 18).

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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Natural rights are based on empirically-observable objective economic facts, not on liblady's opinion of what sexual practices or body modification surgeries are desirable or undesirable. I agree with you that female circumcision is bad, and we are free to speak out against it and ostracize the parents who do it to their children, but interfering in that family issue with force is unjustifiable.

    Parents choose to bring their children into this world, and until those children become self-owning adults no one has higher authority over them than their parents. Not all families are perfect, but one does not choose what reality s\he is born into. Having to obey your parents in all things until you can be legally emancipated is a very small price to pay in exchange for being born.
    i'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. the practices we are discussing are not "family issues", they are barbaric practices that physically harm children. a father doesn't have a right to rape his daughter, and interfering with force is COMPLETELY justifiable. what would you propose, we picket his house?

    we are a nation of laws, and children are protected by those laws.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. the practices we are discussing are not "family issues", they are barbaric practices that physically harm children. a father doesn't have a right to rape his daughter, and interfering with force is COMPLETELY justifiable. what would you propose, we picket his house?

    we are a nation of laws, and children are protected by those laws.
    Alex's views represent an extreme that is beyond extreme. Children are not PROPERTY, they are persons. The ramification of childhood maltreatment are far-reaching and impact all of us to some degree. There is a strong correlation between childhood abuse and subsequent violent offending patterns, substance abuse addiction patterns, and domestic violence in adulthood.

    Alex's position is simply absurd. We protect ANIMALS from maltreatment, for god's sake. We certainly should protect children.
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