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    Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I saw another thread as was wondering what everyone's opinions are on the subject.

    I ask this question because it seems like overkill. What the hell does college level classes has to do with teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4 or that George Washington was the first president,especially if you only teach one subject? You wouldn't go to culinary school just so you can get a job at McDonalds flipping burgers or cooking french fries nor would you go to calculus just so you can be a cashier at Wal-Mart. Wouldn't be better if those wanting to be teachers only took courses related to the field they want to teach in or maybe a trade school for like lesson plan and test making and perhaps how to deal with unruly children?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I saw another thread as was wondering what everyone's opinions are on the subject.

    I ask this question because it seems like overkill. What the hell does college level classes has to do with teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4 or that George Washington was the first president,especially if you only teach one subject? You wouldn't go to culinary school just so you can get a job at McDonalds flipping burgers or cooking french fries nor would you go to calculus just so you can be a cashier at Wal-Mart. Wouldn't be better if those wanting to be teachers only took courses related to the field they want to teach in or maybe a trade school for like lesson plan and test making and perhaps how to deal with unruly children?
    I don't think teachers should have to have college degrees at all (except for high school teachers). I think college should be optional, with the college grads earning more...but I would agree that sitting through four years of education classes is not going to help people become better teachers, when maybe a couple classes and a student teaching assignment could do the job just as easily.

    Many states are now requiring teachers to get master's degrees. This seems completely ridiculous to me. There is absolutely nothing they can learn in an additional year or two of school that they didn't already learn as an undergrad. I have some friends who are teachers, and they unanimously say that the Education classes they took in college and grad school were a huge waste of time.

    There are plenty of people without a college degree who would make great teachers. Similarly, there are plenty of people with master's degrees who make terrible teachers.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    As one going to college to be a teacher, the requirements are profound but that is good. What is underkill is the salaries which are a joke.


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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Children are highly impressionable - especially through age 12 or so. Since the children are our future, not everyone is fit to teach.

    I believe that elementary school teachers and high school teachers should be the most qualified - especially for a certain age group if teaching very young children.

    The only thing I ever learned from middle school was how to stick up for myself. Middle school years are doomed to the emotional angst of a developing child.

    SO, I picked "no" generally because I believe educational requirements for most K-12 teachers seems to be in good measure.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    Children are highly impressionable - especially through age 12 or so. Since the children are our future, not everyone is fit to teach.

    I believe that elementary school teachers and high school teachers should be the most qualified - especially for a certain age group if teaching very young children.

    The only thing I ever learned from middle school was how to stick up for myself. Middle school years are doomed to the emotional angst of a developing child.

    SO, I picked "no" generally because I believe educational requirements for most K-12 teachers seems to be in good measure.
    Could you explain how are college level courses relevant to teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4 or that George Washington is the first president of the USA? What if McDonalds decided that all their fry cooks and burger flippers go to the Le Cordon Blue cooking school,wouldn't you say that was overkill? K-12 teachers are basically teaching what they learned in K-12 education.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I saw another thread as was wondering what everyone's opinions are on the subject.

    I ask this question because it seems like overkill. What the hell does college level classes has to do with teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4
    Just to pick out one example, what do you do when timmy doesn't understand why 2+2=4, or can't make the leap from accepting that 2+2=4 to being able to figure out that 2+3=5? I don't have any first hand knowledge, but AFAIK teachers go to college to learn how to teach, not to learn what they're teaching

    Google brought me to NC State's page on their elementary education major, which includes the following classes

    Childrens Thinking and Additive Reasoning, Teaching Science in the Primary Grades, Social Studies for the Young Reader, Teaching Reading in Elementary School, Teaching Language Arts, 21st. Century Literacy, Assessment of Learning and Behavior, Teaching Special Needs
    I don't think I could do any of that very well without prior training. I'm sure I could get the smart kids through the stuff alright, but I wouldn't know where to start with little Timmy the dumbass who doesn't understand that 2+2=4.

    Also, as others have stated, the level of education that the person is teaching makes a difference. If you're teaching high school calc you need a better than highschool level of understanding of calc to do so in addition to needing all the skills necessary to help high school kids learn

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Could you explain how are college level courses relevant to teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4 or that George Washington is the first president of the USA? What if McDonalds decided that all their fry cooks and burger flippers go to the Le Cordon Blue cooking school,wouldn't you say that was overkill? K-12 teachers are basically teaching what they learned in K-12 education.
    I think you're trying to make teaching sound like too easy of a job.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I saw another thread as was wondering what everyone's opinions are on the subject.

    I ask this question because it seems like overkill. What the hell does college level classes has to do with teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4 or that George Washington was the first president,especially if you only teach one subject? You wouldn't go to culinary school just so you can get a job at McDonalds flipping burgers or cooking french fries nor would you go to calculus just so you can be a cashier at Wal-Mart. Wouldn't be better if those wanting to be teachers only took courses related to the field they want to teach in or maybe a trade school for like lesson plan and test making and perhaps how to deal with unruly children?
    A teacher teaching only that should not be teaching. It's important to learn the "why's". College increases the chance that the teacher both knows why themselves, and how to teach that shy.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    I think you're trying to make teaching sound like too easy of a job.
    Having a difficult job and having a job that requires a college education are not the same thing.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Just to pick out one example, what do you do when timmy doesn't understand why 2+2=4, or can't make the leap from accepting that 2+2=4 to being able to figure out that 2+3=5?
    How did you understand that 2+2=4 or that 2+3=5? Most children can understand that 2+2=4 when you take 2 apples and add another 2 apples and tell that child to count them.


    I don't have any first hand knowledge, but AFAIK teachers go to college to learn how to teach, not to learn what they're teaching
    Then how is the other stuff in college relevant, why not just a trade school that teaches potential teachers how to teach? Would you fell better if the fry cook,burger flipper or short order cook at a fast food restaurant went to culinary school, would you feel better if the cashier at Wal-Mart took calculus?
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