Then what college courses specifically teach these things? How is this any different than a parent who homeschools their child?
A kindergarten teacher is nothing more than a overated babysitter or daycare worker.
Anyone can teach children their ABC's and 123's.
Would you demand that the burger flipper at McDonalds go to culinary school or that the cashier at walmart get a degree in calculus?
Then what college courses specifically teach these things? How is this any different than a parent who homeschools their child?
How about Child Development, Developmental Psychology, Behavioral Psychology just to start...:shrug:
If there was any shred of evidence at all that taking courses in those subjects makes a person a better teacher, you might have a point. But there isn't.
There is no point arguing with arrogant but ignorant people. I think Rep Franks said it best......................
Yes, some people have that natural ability to be a teacher, but it is absolutely insane to say that being ignorant on the study of education is somehow fine or beneficial for the masses of potential educators.
If you will excuse me, I will purge myself of this awful awful thread filled with people who have absolutely no conception for the complexity of the education system and the demands of the populace upon educators.
Yes, some people have that natural ability to be a teacher, but it is absolutely insane to say that being ignorant on the study of education is somehow fine or beneficial for the masses of potential educators.
Fiddytree said:If you will excuse me, I will purge myself of this awful awful thread filled with people who have absolutely no conception for the complexity of the education system and the demands of the populace upon educators.
I think before you start blowing hot air, you might want to look at what these courses cover and how it relates to teaching.
Thank you. I think I am probably going to do the same. Not one post against educated teachers in this thread has generated any form of coherent argument whatsoever.
Not even close to being accurate.
Which means what in terms of this conversation?
I don't recall making that demand. I also don't have any reason to suspect that the burger flipper is placed to supervise the development of my hamburger for 6-7 hours a day, 5 days a week, and has all that much to do with the development of my burger.
You are simply being absurd.
How about Child Development, Developmental Psychology, Behavioral Psychology just to start...:shrug:
My argument is perfectly coherent: There is not one shred of evidence that more education makes people better teachers. None. Zip. Zero.
not overkill
i would make PHD in philosophy, PHD in psychology and PHD in political science all mandatory AT THE SAME TIME for anybody to get close to my little timmy
NEUROSPORT said:so you think little girl's vaginas have to be protected against dicks
NEUROSPORT said:but little kids's minds shouldn't be protected against christian fundamentalists, patriots and other people with no concept of logic ?
NEUROSPORT said:i am sorry but i think the mind is more important than a vagina and also easier to harm.
care to define what "better teacher" means ?
I might not have thought it was overkill in the past, but I keep running into home schooled kids what are far more educated than their peers in public schools.
A teacher whose students exceed the average improvement from one year to the next. For example, the average fourth grader starts the year reading at a 4.0 grade level and ends the year reading at a 5.0 grade level, for an improvement of 25%.
A better teacher would be a fourth grade teacher who improved her students' performance from the beginning to the end of the year by MORE than 25%. A percentage measure is appropriate, because it accounts for the fact that some teachers will have advanced classes whereas others will have remedial classes.
I think the success of homeschoolers proves that teachers DON'T need advanced education degrees in order to be great teachers. It's much more important to have a teacher who truly connects with students and cares about them.
Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?
you must be feeling really intelligent living in your little primitive world.
NEUROSPORT said:a student is not a pocket calculator but a human being. you can't measure "improvement" in a human being.
NEUROSPORT said:you don't need a teacher to improve reading performance - you just need to read for that. you need a teacher to tell you right from wrong.
NEUROSPORT said:to even BEGIN to understand what "right" and "wrong" means you will need a PHD in philosophy and to be able to explain it without having the kids jump out of the windows you will need a PHD in psychology
no it proves that its most important for the teacher not to be on the payroll of the mafia ( government )
You most certainly can. If I ask a series of addition questions, it is logical to conclude that a kid who answers 90% of them correctly understands addition better than a kid who answers 70% of them correctly. Maybe there are exceptions - the kid was sick that day, or doesn't test well, or fell asleep during the test, or whatever. But in the aggregate, those exceptions should balance out, and the good teachers will have the results to show