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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?
    Although I am not familiar with all the empirical literature on the topic, I suspect a better question would concern whether K-12 teachers are receiving the optimal mix of courses in college, rather than whether they should be expected to receive a college education. Aside from preparing its graduates with skills that are important to the job market, colleges and universities serve a broader purpose in helping their students develop their cognitive skills; strengthen their ability to understand, interpret, prioritize, and apply information; sharpen their analytical abilities; better prepare them to draw objective conclusions;, and cultivate their interpersonal and leadership skills. My guess is that such general skills would have at least some utility in the field of education/teaching, as they do in the broad range of fields outside of education. IMO, it is difficult to imagine that such general skills would have utility in let's say management but none in teaching even as both areas have problem-solving requirements (though the nature and specifics of the problems differ).

    In addition, aside from taking courses in content related to the discipline a teacher might wish to focus on e.g., history, courses that provide skills related to such issues as identifying student distress (academic or non-academic), motivating students, etc., almost certainly have value. Certainly, psychology- and psychiatry-related literature has concluded that various "intervention" strategies have beneficial outcomes that are statistically significant.

    On a separate matter, I believe reforms that would allow certain people who have demonstrated a combination of teaching skills and subject expertise in the corporate or scientific fields should not be barred from teaching strictly because they lack an education degree, particularly in fields where there are shortages of teachers e.g., mathematics. But that's a different matter.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Somehow I think we get hung up on the amount of education rather than the content of education. It's what we teach that matters most. I think there are two factors that should control the content, 1) Will it prepare you to be a productive member of society, and 2) Will it prepare you to be a good citizen?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    you must be feeling really intelligent living in your little primitive world.
    Who is the one making childish attacks here?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT
    a student is not a pocket calculator but a human being. you can't measure "improvement" in a human being.
    You most certainly can. If I ask a series of addition questions, it is logical to conclude that a kid who answers 90% of them correctly understands addition better than a kid who answers 70% of them correctly. Maybe there are exceptions - the kid was sick that day, or doesn't test well, or fell asleep during the test, or whatever. But in the aggregate, those exceptions should balance out, and the good teachers will have the results to show.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT
    you don't need a teacher to improve reading performance - you just need to read for that. you need a teacher to tell you right from wrong.
    That is a bizarre view of education. Teachers are there to TEACH. Learning "right from wrong" is not something that can be easily taught; it is something that is learned on its own.

    The teenage years - not the childhood years - are the formative years for one's moral values. And they damn sure don't come from teachers.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT
    to even BEGIN to understand what "right" and "wrong" means you will need a PHD in philosophy and to be able to explain it without having the kids jump out of the windows you will need a PHD in psychology
    Or you can teach them how to add and subtract. Just a thought.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    no it proves that its most important for the teacher not to be on the payroll of the mafia ( government )
    Irrelevant to the subject at hand. Thanks for playing.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You most certainly can. If I ask a series of addition questions, it is logical to conclude that a kid who answers 90% of them correctly understands addition better than a kid who answers 70% of them correctly. Maybe there are exceptions - the kid was sick that day, or doesn't test well, or fell asleep during the test, or whatever. But in the aggregate, those exceptions should balance out, and the good teachers will have the results to show
    you don't know anything about education do you ?

    by your criteria places like Russia have the best education. kids there used to be ( when i studied there ) many years ahead of american kids in math and science.

    and how is it working out for them ? life expectancy for a russian man is 55 because they all die of alcoholism. all the kids get aborted ( two abortions for every live birth ) and the nation is dying out.

    perhaps education is not just about math.

    just a thought there for you ...

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    you don't know anything about education do you ?

    by your criteria places like Russia have the best education. kids there used to be ( when i studied there ) many years ahead of american kids in math and science.
    I don't know anything about Russian education, but that sounds plausible. American education sucks and lags behind many other countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT
    and how is it working out for them ? life expectancy for a russian man is 55 because they all die of alcoholism. all the kids get aborted ( two abortions for every live birth ) and the nation is dying out.

    perhaps education is not just about math.

    just a thought there for you ...
    You want a teacher to tell first-graders not to drink vodka and get abortions, instead of how to read and add?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    The educational requirements are overkill for many grades but I feel we are lacking in actual knowledge requirments. I can remember being interested in history in highschool and asking my history teacher many questions about areas not covered in our textbook. My teacher could never give me an answer without first looking it up. The only history knowledge he seemed to have was that found in our textbooks. That made me wonder why he chose to be a history teacher. He clearly had no interest in the subject.

    Another instance was in Jr. High. I was taking advanced calculus and my teacher taught us a method to problem solve. My father took one look at it and said you can skip this, and this, and this and arrive at the same answer. I showed my teacher the following day and she was amazed at how much he had simplified it, a man that never took calculus and had not been to school in over 20 years showing a math teacher of several years how to do her job. It just shows that some teachers simply treat teaching as a job and do little to further there knowledge once they have aquired the position.

    I feel we are limiting our children by allowing sub par teachers into our schools. If I had children I would want them to be taught by the best and not by someone that really has no clue as to what they are teaching.
    Last edited by Baralis; 10-01-09 at 03:38 AM.

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