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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Thank you. I think I am probably going to do the same. Not one post against educated teachers in this thread has generated any form of coherent argument whatsoever.
    My argument is perfectly coherent: There is not one shred of evidence that more education makes people better teachers. None. Zip. Zero.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Not even close to being accurate.



    Which means what in terms of this conversation?
    How is college relevant to being a overrated babysitter/kindergarten teacher/daycare worker?


    I don't recall making that demand. I also don't have any reason to suspect that the burger flipper is placed to supervise the development of my hamburger for 6-7 hours a day, 5 days a week, and has all that much to do with the development of my burger.

    You are simply being absurd.
    No I am making a point about credential overkill.


    How about Child Development, Developmental Psychology, Behavioral Psychology just to start...
    If these courses are actually relevant then why not only require only these courses or better yet why not make these junior college or trade school courses? Do homeschoolers require these courses to home school their children?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    not overkill

    i would make PHD in philosophy, PHD in psychology and PHD in political science all mandatory AT THE SAME TIME for anybody to get close to my little timmy

    so you think little girl's vaginas have to be protected against dicks but little kids's minds shouldn't be protected against christian fundamentalists, patriots and other people with no concept of logic ?

    i am sorry but i think the mind is more important than a vagina and also easier to harm.

    well it doesn't matter. my kids wouldn't go to a public school anyway. you can feed yours to dogs for all i care.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    My argument is perfectly coherent: There is not one shred of evidence that more education makes people better teachers. None. Zip. Zero.
    care to define what "better teacher" means ?

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    not overkill

    i would make PHD in philosophy, PHD in psychology and PHD in political science all mandatory AT THE SAME TIME for anybody to get close to my little timmy
    How are advanced degrees in those subjects relevant to being a teacher?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT
    so you think little girl's vaginas have to be protected against dicks
    Umm WHAT?! I hope you didn't mean that the way it sounds, but I'm not really sure how else to interpret it.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT
    but little kids's minds shouldn't be protected against christian fundamentalists, patriots and other people with no concept of logic ?
    What does that have to do with whether or not the teacher went to college?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT
    i am sorry but i think the mind is more important than a vagina and also easier to harm.
    Again, I really really hope you don't mean that the way it sounds.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    care to define what "better teacher" means ?
    A teacher whose students exceed the average improvement from one year to the next. For example, the average fourth grader starts the year reading at a 4.0 grade level and ends the year reading at a 5.0 grade level, for an improvement of 25%.

    A better teacher would be a fourth grade teacher who improved her students' performance from the beginning to the end of the year by MORE than 25%. A percentage measure is appropriate, because it accounts for the fact that some teachers will have advanced classes whereas others will have remedial classes.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I might not have thought it was overkill in the past, but I keep running into home schooled kids what are far more educated than their peers in public schools.

    This choice in the poll: "I do not know/maybe/other" is obviously for graduates of the public schools, and would look good on a T-shirt.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I might not have thought it was overkill in the past, but I keep running into home schooled kids what are far more educated than their peers in public schools.
    I think the success of homeschoolers proves that teachers DON'T need advanced education degrees in order to be great teachers. It's much more important to have a teacher who truly connects with students and cares about them.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A teacher whose students exceed the average improvement from one year to the next. For example, the average fourth grader starts the year reading at a 4.0 grade level and ends the year reading at a 5.0 grade level, for an improvement of 25%.

    A better teacher would be a fourth grade teacher who improved her students' performance from the beginning to the end of the year by MORE than 25%. A percentage measure is appropriate, because it accounts for the fact that some teachers will have advanced classes whereas others will have remedial classes.
    you must be feeling really intelligent living in your little primitive world.

    a student is not a pocket calculator but a human being. you can't measure "improvement" in a human being.

    you don't need a teacher to improve reading performance - you just need to read for that. you need a teacher to tell you right from wrong.

    to even BEGIN to understand what "right" and "wrong" means you will need a PHD in philosophy and to be able to explain it without having the kids jump out of the windows you will need a PHD in psychology

    i don't know if ANYBODY is smart enough to teach anybody. i don't believe in teaching. i believe in learning.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think the success of homeschoolers proves that teachers DON'T need advanced education degrees in order to be great teachers. It's much more important to have a teacher who truly connects with students and cares about them.
    no it proves that its most important for the teacher not to be on the payroll of the mafia ( government )

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