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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Why is it such a damn mystery why we have to be well educated in our subject matters before teaching?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then what college courses specifically teach these things? How is this any different than a parent who homeschools their child?
    Funny you should ask that. The courses are typically called things like Child Development, Abnormal Psychology, etc. Awesome huh?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A kindergarten teacher is nothing more than a overated babysitter or daycare worker.
    Not even close to being accurate.

    Anyone can teach children their ABC's and 123's.
    Which means what in terms of this conversation?

    Would you demand that the burger flipper at McDonalds go to culinary school or that the cashier at walmart get a degree in calculus?
    I don't recall making that demand. I also don't have any reason to suspect that the burger flipper is placed to supervise the development of my hamburger for 6-7 hours a day, 5 days a week, and has all that much to do with the development of my burger.

    You are simply being absurd.


    Then what college courses specifically teach these things? How is this any different than a parent who homeschools their child?
    How about Child Development, Developmental Psychology, Behavioral Psychology just to start...

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How about Child Development, Developmental Psychology, Behavioral Psychology just to start...
    If there was any shred of evidence at all that taking courses in those subjects makes a person a better teacher, you might have a point. But there isn't.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Yes, some people have that natural ability to be a teacher, but it is absolutely insane to say that being ignorant on the study of education is somehow fine or beneficial for the masses of potential educators.

    If you will excuse me, I will purge myself of this awful awful thread filled with people who have absolutely no conception for the complexity of the education system and the demands of the populace upon educators.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If there was any shred of evidence at all that taking courses in those subjects makes a person a better teacher, you might have a point. But there isn't.
    I think before you start blowing hot air, you might want to look at what these courses cover and how it relates to teaching. You certainly didn't succeed in making any form of indictment or argument with the blather in the above post.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    There is no point arguing with arrogant but ignorant people. I think Rep Franks said it best......................
    IF you think we are ignorant then please educate us and explain to us what college courses specifically help make someone a superior teacher than someone who is not college educated. Algebra class teaches Algebra and Biology classes teach Biology. What college courses specifically make someone a good teacher and how is it relevant to teaching children specific subjects. Is it really that difficult to teach children basically what you learned when you were in their shoes? JUst sitting there calling everyone who disagrees with you an idiot does not prove your point. The fact that have failed to explain exactly how college makes someone a better teacher and what courses are relevant to teaching means that you yourself do not know. Why should going to college mean you get paid more if you can not explain how it is relevant to your job? Should a construction worker get paid more to do the same job as other construction workers just because he went to college?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes, some people have that natural ability to be a teacher, but it is absolutely insane to say that being ignorant on the study of education is somehow fine or beneficial for the masses of potential educators.

    If you will excuse me, I will purge myself of this awful awful thread filled with people who have absolutely no conception for the complexity of the education system and the demands of the populace upon educators.
    Thank you. I think I am probably going to do the same. Not one post against educated teachers in this thread has generated any form of coherent argument whatsoever.

    It's all been a bunch of emotional blathering and hyper retarded drivel from people who have a very limited understanding of what it takes to be a teacher.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes, some people have that natural ability to be a teacher, but it is absolutely insane to say that being ignorant on the study of education is somehow fine or beneficial for the masses of potential educators.
    By all means, teachers should still be certified. But K-8 teachers don't need four years of college to do it. Give them a class in Public Speaking, a class on maintaining order in the classroom, and maybe a class on Child Development. And give them an entire year of student teaching. That would be a MUCH better use of their time than what currently exists; the entire certification could be done in a little over a year.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think before you start blowing hot air, you might want to look at what these courses cover and how it relates to teaching.
    Completely irrelevant unless you have some statistics that show that more education = better teachers. Otherwise it's just a waste of time.
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