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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    My god, perhaps we should look for the eye of the tiger and stop training boxers."Naturally gifted boxers do better as well; but we need more teachers and less boxers.. We should just throw in the naturally gifted and let them figure **** out in the ring .

    Honestly speaking, pay should be based on results with a better starting base. And if you want to reduce your taxes going toward school push your government to introduce competition for these funds between private and public schools based on results.
    I'd like my tax load to be more fair. Now, I have kept my property taxes as low as possible, the income or sales tax could be increased and the prop. tax decreased...no one wants to do this, particularly the conservative Republicians...
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    We want all the results in the world from our teachers, but our lawmakers are giving us none !

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I voted "other".
    Increasing the teacher educational requirements is NOT the solution to the problem.
    Lets poll concerned instructors and hear from them rather than opinionated old fools(OOF) and politicians(is there a difference)??
    From this OOF, we need
    smaller class sizes
    much more cooperation from the parents
    support from the public and the school board.
    The primary requirement should be an ability to relate.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I'm spending many years preparing to do so and plan to get both a masters and doctorate in the field. When I was growing up, I agreed with the more stringent requirements upon teacher certifications. Should they make more? I would never argue against teachers making more money. Should college tuition be cheaper? My wallet and future debt would agree.

    I hold little sympathy with my fellow students preparing to be teachers. You could always fill a library with articles, films, and books playing the violin for educators (just as you could with people over obsessing with trashing teachers).
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    There is no point arguing with arrogant but ignorant people. I think Rep Franks said it best......................
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Think about it from this perspective, by showing up to enough college education courses to pass, you are essentially proving to a potential employer that you will more often than not show up. I really do not buy the statement, "i never went to any of my classes in college and got A's (or passed)." Therefore attendance is shown to increase performance, at least from my perspective.

    The question is, do you believe someone who never had to, or never did show up 180 days per year to class will be willing to do so in a fashion acceptable for young students to learn?

    Primary education is all about attendance. The curriculum is geared towards it, and those who show up every day are proven to do better than those who rarely show up.

    Getting back to the OP, i think the college requirements are a little much given the demands of the job. Maybe 2 years learning the subject matter to be specialized in, and another 2 performing OJT.
    I don't think there is much correlation between getting a college degree and showing up at work (beyond the fact that people who go to college in the first place might be inherently more responsible). Surely schools that are considering hiring a teacher could look at their attendance record at previous jobs, including their student teaching assignment, whether they went to college or not.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you aren't interested in discussing the subject beyond infantile insults, no one is forcing you to post on the thread at all.

    There is nothing to discuss with idiots.
    Thankfully there are pretty smart folks on this board, beyond you bunch of retards.


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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    There is nothing to discuss with idiots.
    Thankfully there are pretty smart folks on this board, beyond you bunch of retards.
    Great. So go talk with them, and leave us retards be on this thread.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I saw another thread as was wondering what everyone's opinions are on the subject.

    I ask this question because it seems like overkill. What the hell does college level classes has to do with teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4 or that George Washington was the first president,especially if you only teach one subject? You wouldn't go to culinary school just so you can get a job at McDonalds flipping burgers or cooking french fries nor would you go to calculus just so you can be a cashier at Wal-Mart. Wouldn't be better if those wanting to be teachers only took courses related to the field they want to teach in or maybe a trade school for like lesson plan and test making and perhaps how to deal with unruly children?
    No, a college degree should be the norm for any teacher, even Kindergarten. Anyone who suffers the illusion that being a teacher is just teaching little Timmy 2+2=4 has such a myopic understanding of a teacher's job that they cannot be taken seriously.

    Teaching involves not only covering the course matter but also having an understanding of child development, child psychology, and an arsenal of behavior adjusting and teaching techniques to be effective.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    There is nothing to discuss with idiots.
    Thankfully there are pretty smart folks on this board, beyond you bunch of retards.
    If I were gay, I would ask that you would be my gay lover. But as I am not, you will have to settle with my overwhelming applause.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, a college degree should be the norm for any teacher, even Kindergarten.
    A kindergarten teacher is nothing more than a overated babysitter or daycare worker. Anyone can teach children their ABC's and 123's. Would you demand that the burger flipper at McDonalds go to culinary school or that the cashier at walmart get a degree in calculus?


    Anyone who suffers the illusion that being a teacher is just teaching little Timmy 2+2=4 has such a myopic understanding of a teacher's job that they cannot be taken seriously
    Teaching involves not only covering the course matter but also having an understanding of child development, child psychology, and an arsenal of behavior adjusting and teaching techniques to be effective.
    Then what college courses specifically teach these things? How is this any different than a parent who homeschools their child?
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