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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    No. Our students are not as well educated as their foreign counterparts. The solution is not to lessen the qualification level of our teachers.
    The question here is what makes someone "qualified" to be a teacher. Is it a little piece of paper saying that you sat through Education classes for four years, or is it the ability to engage and motivate students and improve their performance?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I guess you guys who make idiotic posts in this thread had some of them High school graduate teachers. ****ing idiots.


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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    I guess you guys who make idiotic posts in this thread had some of them High school graduate teachers. ****ing idiots.
    Now here is an 'intelligent' post...

    (rather oxymoronic if you ask me....)

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    I guess you guys who make idiotic posts in this thread had some of them High school graduate teachers. ****ing idiots.
    It is legitimate to question whether or not the educational requirements for teaching are necessary. You wouldn't make someone go to culinary school to just so they can flip burgers at McDonalds or someone get a degree in calculus just so they can be a cashier at walmart,or make someone get a degree in engineering just to be a house framer? Of course you wouldn't make anyone do those things its overkill and not really related to their specific field, so how exactly are college level courses relevant to teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4 or that George Washington is our first president/


    Perhaps instead of bashing posters for their comments you should perhaps explain which college classes helped you make lesson plans, how exactly to teach kids(I am sure a lot of parents who homeschool their kids never went to college to be a teacher) and so on and explain how the classes that seem irrelevant to us is relevant to being a teacher and exaplin why none of these classes couldn't be done a trade school or junior college level.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    There should be complete separation between church education and state, and the free market should decide what religion educational philosophy people choose and how its priesthood teacher qualifications are to be managed.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Think about it from this perspective, by showing up to enough college education courses to pass, you are essentially proving to a potential employer that you will more often than not show up. I really do not buy the statement, "i never went to any of my classes in college and got A's (or passed)." Therefore attendance is shown to increase performance, at least from my perspective.

    The question is, do you believe someone who never had to, or never did show up 180 days per year to class will be willing to do so in a fashion acceptable for young students to learn?

    Primary education is all about attendance. The curriculum is geared towards it, and those who show up every day are proven to do better than those who rarely show up.

    Getting back to the OP, i think the college requirements are a little much given the demands of the job. Maybe 2 years learning the subject matter to be specialized in, and another 2 performing OJT.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    There is no point arguing with arrogant but ignorant people. I think Rep Franks said it best......................


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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    As one going to college to be a teacher, the requirements are profound but that is good. What is underkill is the salaries which are a joke.
    As in so many other areas, reform and improvement are a must.
    As the education is so expensive; starting salaries should be higher..But my school taxes are killing me now and others I am sure..
    Solution : Find a way to determine who is a "natural" teacher and be less concerned with degrees.
    Then, after one has their tenure, after 10-20 years - they seem to be overpaid...
    The ability to teach is a gift from God..Master and super master degrees do not change this...

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    As in so many other areas, reform and improvement are a must.
    As the education is so expensive; starting salaries should be higher..But my school taxes are killing me now and others I am sure..
    Solution : Find a way to determine who is a "natural" teacher and be less concerned with degrees.
    Then, after one has their tenure, after 10-20 years - they seem to be overpaid...
    The ability to teach is a gift from God..Master and super master degrees do not change this...
    My god, perhaps we should look for the eye of the tiger and stop training boxers. We should just throw in the naturally gifted and let them figure **** out in the ring .

    Honestly speaking, pay should be based on results with a better starting base. And if you want to reduce your taxes going toward school push your goverment to introduce competition for these funds between private and public schools based on results.


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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    No. Our students are not as well educated as their foreign counterparts. The solution is not to lessen the qualification level of our teachers.
    Not really.
    The solution is to find out exactly what the problem is and its cause.
    For instance, the opening statement could be false.
    But, given that it is true, its logical to consider the quality of the student, the cooperation of the parents, and the teaching ability of the instructor.
    Its a rather simple puzzle, but all the pieces must fit..

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