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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think more states are requiring teachers to get master's degrees because it allows politicians to act like they're improving education without actually doing anything.

    The fallacy here is that better-educated teachers does not translate into better teachers.
    I bet that is the truth. Good observation!

    GWBush instituted the 'No Child Left Behind' federal mandate that has added tons of paperwork to already beleaguered teachers, another 'feel good' program to make politicians look good.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    No. Our students are not as well educated as their foreign counterparts. The solution is not to lessen the qualification level of our teachers.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Just finished a teach education program, myself.. and about to start full time next January. My answer is Yes and No. I shall explain.

    You see, it is a tough job that requires a great deal of knowledge. Therefore, a lot of education is needed. However, the type we recieve is very much mis-directed and not helpful. State officials like to load up on requirements, regardless of how useful the actual classes are.

    So I am not mad at needing six years of education to make 30K a year, nearly so much as I'm angry at 5 of those 6 years on junk I can never use, taking classes either out of my subject matter and/or designed by non-educators.

    Fun fact: I am about to teach European history at the high school level. I took 120 credit hours for my BA..guess how many classes were in Euro history? TWO!

    Only took four in American. So whether we teach american or euro, my state gives licenses to people with hardly any actual subject-matter experience. Vast majority of the classes are not germane to my job: foreign language, mathematics, biology, etc.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    my senior year is way to hard right now

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    No. Our students are not as well educated as their foreign counterparts. The solution is not to lessen the qualification level of our teachers.
    YOu assume that higher "qualifications" would mean better teachers. Not true at all.

    If we require a History teacher to be able to do 100 pull-ups and call him highly qualified, will he be a better teacher than one who only does 10? What if we make it even harder.. 1000 pullups! Great teacher, eh?

    Wait, no.. that's not germane to his subject. We need to make sure the requirements are actually making him better.. right now, and I speak from experiences, 90 percent of the classes and requirements are pure filler.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by 75Greeno View Post
    my senior year is way to hard right now
    You mean way TOO hard.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by KillerAngel View Post
    Just finished a teach education program, myself.. and about to start full time next January. My answer is Yes and No. I shall explain.

    You see, it is a tough job that requires a great deal of knowledge. Therefore, a lot of education is needed. However, the type we recieve is very much mis-directed and not helpful. State officials like to load up on requirements, regardless of how useful the actual classes are.

    So I am not mad at needing six years of education to make 30K a year, nearly so much as I'm angry at 5 of those 6 years on junk I can never use, taking classes either out of my subject matter and/or designed by non-educators.

    Fun fact: I am about to teach European history at the high school level. I took 120 credit hours for my BA..guess how many classes were in Euro history? TWO!

    Only took four in American. So whether we teach american or euro, my state gives licenses to people with hardly any actual subject-matter experience. Vast majority of the classes are not germane to my job: foreign language, mathematics, biology, etc.
    There is no such thing as a two dot ellipsis as you used above. (..)

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    The most common form of an ellipsis is a row of three periods or full stops (...) or precomposed triple-dot glyph (…).

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    There is no such thing as a two dot ellipsis as you used above. (..)
    I am entirely familiar with such grammer rules. However, I did not feel it necessary to be so precise on an internet forum. Do you have any actual rebuttal?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I voted yes since I believe that you can give someone all the education in the world (yes they will be more knowledgeable in the subject that they will be teaching) but to be a good teacher, that only comes with experience. If colleges would get rid of alot of their BS class's I could see a teacher doing just as good with a 2 year degree than one with a 4 year degree. For example I went to college to get my certification in welding. Low and behold I look up my class i have to take and find out I need an English and psychology class . Now wtf that has to do with welding I don't know but it's a good example of such BS class's.

    Fun Fact: Me and few others that were taking welding scored higher in the class than the ones that were taking journalism (and i failed an English class in high school in 9th grade)

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I completely disagree. It's already exceptionally easy to gain access to elementary students when you have no degree. As a college degree child development and becoming an elementary teacher is fairly easy as it is.

    We don't want dumbasses teaching our kids. It's best to weed out the tards. It's not just about teaching a kid 2 + 2 = 4.
    If you want to "weed out the tards," you could still have standardized tests like the PRAXIS. There's simply no need to make someone waste their time and money on four years of classes that, for the most part, don't do anything to help them learn how to do their job better.

    I would much prefer a system where college is optional for K-8, college grads earn more than non-college grads, and pay is based on merit rather than the number of years someone has been teaching.
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