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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I think that the education of teachers could definitely be streamlined. Instead, we see some districts upping the requirement to a Masters Degree.

    Teaching is a profession that requires a great deal of on the job experience. Teaching candidates spend too much time learning useless information, and not enough time on student teaching.

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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A teacher teaching only that should not be teaching. It's important to learn the "why's". College increases the chance that the teacher both knows why themselves,
    That's not really an issue, except at the high school level. I would hope that any reasonably intelligent adult would know the "why"s beyond a younger kid's question. And if they don't, they probably aren't going to learn it in college.

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    and how to teach that
    I've never taken Education classes, so all I have to go on is hearsay...but my teacher friends have told me that their Education classes were a complete waste of time. One class on maintaining order, and one class on motivating students, plus a student teaching assignment...that should be sufficient for the K-8 level, IMO.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    I think you're trying to make teaching sound like too easy of a job.
    Lots of jobs are difficult, it doesn't mean they should require college. Should an electrician go to college to be an electrician instead of some trade school?
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    I think more states are requiring teachers to get master's degrees because it allows politicians to act like they're improving education without actually doing anything.

    The fallacy here is that better-educated teachers does not translate into better teachers.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Could you explain how are college level courses relevant to teaching little Timmy that 2+2=4 or that George Washington is the first president of the USA? What if McDonalds decided that all their fry cooks and burger flippers go to the Le Cordon Blue cooking school,wouldn't you say that was overkill? K-12 teachers are basically teaching what they learned in K-12 education.
    Are you being serious? Do you know what it takes to create lesson plans, to make sure all your kids are doing well. No teachers dont teach what they learned in High school, they teach what they learned in all the years of education and life exprience. Simply putting in HIgh School graduates as teachers would be great to create a generation of retards.

    Teachers are one of the most important roles, and we must make sure we have the best of the best as teachers. We shoudl also pay much higher salaries.


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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    How about we just require teachers to know what they are teaching, by whatever means? People graduating in Oklahoma don't know who George Washington was.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Are you being serious? Do you know what it takes to create lesson plans,
    Why does it take four years of college to learn how to create a lesson plan? I have a pretty good idea just from observing others create them...I'm sure I could learn how to do it in a few weeks (at most).

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP
    to make sure all your kids are doing well.
    Why do teachers need four years of college to make sure their students are doing well?

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    No teachers dont teach what they learned in High school, they teach what they learned in all the years of education and life exprience.
    That doesn't make sense. If teachers are teaching kids what they learned post-high school, then that would mean that someone taught it to THEM at a younger age. Which contradicts the premise that they learned it post-high school.

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP
    Simply putting in HIgh School graduates as teachers would be great to create a generation of retards.
    Is there any evidence that indicates that going to college makes people better able to teach kids, versus taking a couple courses plus a student teaching assignment?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP
    Teachers are one of the most important roles, and we must make sure we have the best of the best as teachers.
    I agree. But "the best of the best" does not mean "only people who have master's degrees." There are plenty of people who never went to college who are great with kids and instinctively know how to motivate them, and there are plenty of people with advanced degrees who are absolutely awful teachers.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Are you being serious? Do you know what it takes to create lesson plans, to make sure all your kids are doing well.
    Do you really need 4 years or more of college to be able to do this? Why not a trade school?


    No teachers dont teach what they learned in High school, they teach what they learned in all the years of education and life exprience.
    Your telling me a elementary school teacher learned that 2+2=4 and that George Washington was our first president in college?


    Simply putting in HIgh School graduates as teachers would be great to create a generation of retards.
    Any evidence of this? If what is said about Oklahoma high school students is true, then this is evidence that teachers with college education does not produce superior results.

    Then why do home schooled kids do better grade wise than those who attend school?

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    Teachers are one of the most important roles, and we must make sure we have the best of the best as teachers. We shoudl also pay much higher salaries.
    Pay should be based on performance/results.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How about we just require teachers to know what they are teaching, by whatever means? People graduating in Oklahoma don't know who George Washington was.
    This seems like evidence that a college degree does not make someone a superior teacher.
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    Re: Are the educational requirements to be a K-12 teacher overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't think teachers should have to have college degrees at all (except for high school teachers). I think college should be optional, with the college grads earning more...but I would agree that sitting through four years of education classes is not going to help people become better teachers, when maybe a couple classes and a student teaching assignment could do the job just as easily.

    Many states are now requiring teachers to get master's degrees. This seems completely ridiculous to me. There is absolutely nothing they can learn in an additional year or two of school that they didn't already learn as an undergrad. I have some friends who are teachers, and they unanimously say that the Education classes they took in college and grad school were a huge waste of time.

    There are plenty of people without a college degree who would make great teachers. Similarly, there are plenty of people with master's degrees who make terrible teachers.
    I completely disagree. It's already exceptionally easy to gain access to elementary students when you have no degree. As a college degree child development and becoming an elementary teacher is fairly easy as it is.

    We don't want dumbasses teaching our kids. It's best to weed out the tards. It's not just about teaching a kid 2 + 2 = 4.

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