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Thread: America's Laws

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Its funny, because you know what capitalists are?

    People.
    The capitalists are people, but they are not "the people".
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Castro View Post
    The capitalists are people, but they are not "the people".
    In that sense, neither are the Marxists. Which doesn't stop Marxists from claiming them, of course.
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    Re: America's Laws

    A capitalist is a person who respects the natural rights of others, including parents' rights, the right to homestead / trade / protect property, and so on. One can be a penniless Buddhist monk who begs for food every day, and still be a capitalist, as long as one does not initiate aggression against those who refuse to support him.

    A socialist is a criminal, in theory if not yet in action. Would-be criminals do have a right to free speech, even though it does constitute a credible threat, but once they start to implement that threat their aggression needs to be reciprocated - by any means necessary.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    A capitalist is a person who respects the natural rights of others, including parents' rights, the right to homestead / trade / protect property, and so on.
    Funny, that doesn't sound much like General Pinochet or Suharto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    A socialist is a criminal, in theory if not yet in action. Would-be criminals do have a right to free speech, even though it does constitute a credible threat, but once they start to implement that threat their aggression needs to be reciprocated - by any means necessary.
    So you consider men like this criminals? A war hero and British national treasure, a criminal?

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Other.. Old white guys.
    I think it would be cool to vote all these old ass white breads out and out in some rappers. This country would get good and fast if someone like SnoopDog was running it
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Castro View Post
    Funny, that doesn't sound much like General Pinochet or Suharto.
    Free market capitalism means no government intervention. Why bring up those two dictators?

    Sure, one can easily make the case that state violence against socialism is the lesser of two evils, and I'd gladly pay to replace someone like Hugo Chavez with with Pinochet 2.0 as a pragmatic step in the right direction, but that is not what I'm idealizing here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Castro View Post
    So you consider men like this criminals? A war hero and British national treasure, a criminal?
    Everyone who initiates aggression against other human beings, or supports an organization that does this (i.e. government) is a criminal to a degree.

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Free market capitalism
    ...is a perpetually nonexistent theoretical abstraction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Sure, one can easily make the case that state violence against socialism is the lesser of two evils, and I'd gladly pay to replace someone like Hugo Chavez with with Pinochet 2.0 as a pragmatic step in the right direction, but that is not what I'm idealizing here.
    Of course you would. As someone who's democratically elected and enjoys broad popular support, Chavez would understandably be despised by any pseudo-libertarian capitalist who secretly (or in your case, openly) fetishizes authoritarianism of one variant or another.

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Free market capitalism means no government intervention. Why bring up those two dictators?
    You are only confused because you subscribe to an idealized redefinition of what it means to be a capitalist where by you accept the good of the capitalist but reinterpret the bad. It is an unfalsifiable position you are latching to, thus we must reject it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Everyone who initiates aggression against other human beings, or supports an organization that does this (i.e. government) is a criminal to a degree.
    this is just to misunderstand the term "criminal" and again undertake a path of redefinition. What is criminal is decided by state institutions such as government. So if the government makes law, and the government is socialist, and the government or its supporters do not break any law, then they are not a criminal. The same can be said of any capitalist government. There may be a case to argue for their immorality, but certainly not criminality.
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