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Thread: America's Laws

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's certainly not the ultimate authority on everything that some people purport that it is.
    In terms of law in the United states -- it certanly is.

    It is, according to itself, the supreme Law of the Land.

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In terms of law in the United states -- it certanly is.

    It is, according to itself, the supreme Law of the Land.
    the problem is that government expansionist politicians trample all over it any chance they get, as if they were the arbiters of the supreme law.

    This is the only place where I see the document fail, and really that failing is with the people. It is due more to people failing to undertand that it is the supreme law of the US than any problem with the actual wording--it says clearly that it is the supreme law of the US.

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    the problem is that government expansionist politicians trample all over it any chance they get, as if they were the arbiters of the supreme law.

    This is the only place where I see the document fail, and really that failing is with the people.
    This is EXACTLY right -- as soon as people realized that people could avail themselves of monies from the public coffers with their votes, so began our trip down-hill.

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is EXACTLY right -- as soon as people realized that people could avail themselves of monies from the public coffers with their votes, so began our trip down-hill.
    Isn't that what happened to Rome?... the public voting themselves "Bread and circuses“.?

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes, which means that even the founding fathers didn't intend for the Constitution to be the foundation of all of America's laws.

    So much for this thread.
    The founding fathers did intend for it to be the foundation of our republic and every piece of legislation must stay within the confines of the constitution.

    Why do you think they wrote it?

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    Re: America's Laws

    While the Constitution is a VERY VERY important document in the US it can still be changed. And it is the people that can change it. So when you boil it all down it is the people that should control the laws. Nothing else. After all if no one lived in the US then there wouldn't be a Constitution.

    As people have said the Constitution is the foundation for our laws. But since it can be changed it is not the ultimate authority on our laws.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Isn't that what happened to Rome?... the public voting themselves "Bread and circuses“.?
    Part of it, yes.

    In US, we have the institutionalized assumption that entitlements cannot be cut because people are, well, entitled to them. This spending takes place regardless of available revenue, and takes pleace before all other spending is considerd.

    Eventually, this will be unsustainable.

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    Re: America's Laws

    No, not really. Any real popular power in Rome was gone centuries before its fall. Rome remained quite strong for a long, long time, and no one was voting anything out of the treasury to themselves, except for Emperors.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    It would be nice if the people were in power instead of the capitalist class that is currently ruling.
    Its funny, because you know what capitalists are?

    People.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Its funny, because you know what capitalists are?

    People.
    Sssshhhhhhh!

    It's easier for the Dems to get votes if the masses believe that capitalists aren't really human.

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